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shirley temple
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OK fair play about giving tickets to folk who go to away games regular(not missed a game in years)....but why not take into account home games as well. After poor crowds at recent home games (who can ever forget that game against Lithunia) these matches should count too. After all most folk cannot aford to go to all away games but we can all go to Hampden.
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Ruary
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It is certainly a very valid point Shirley, I have not missed a Scotland game at home in years but finances or work commitments have not always allowed me to make every game abroad.
In fact it has not always been down to finances or even work commitments, I remember I went to Estonia the last time we played there went the week before the game to pick up a pal of mine before heading down to see the Bosnian game (I think) but needless to say we kind of got waylaid in the various hostelries in Tallinn as well as many other kinds of establishments so I ended up spending 2 weeks in Tallinn just for the one game.....how sad am I 
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Total Posts: 1677 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 8:33 pm on July 9, 2002 | IP
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ScottishMagpie
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Makes a big assumption that a. everyone actually lives in Scotland or b. lives within easy travelling distance of Hampden.
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Total Posts: 127 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 8:39 pm on July 9, 2002 | IP
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shirley temple
Fresh ideas |
I think if you can travel hundreds of miles for an away game why not travel that for games at hampden or anywhere else in scotlan for that matter be it Aberdeen, Kilmarnock or Edinburgh. If you can do it for an away game why not one in scotland.
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Total Posts: 8 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 9:12 pm on July 9, 2002 | IP
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Lamia
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I entirely agree that home games should count for something.
There are so many people less able to travel than I and save up for that one trip they can do but go to all the home games. It seems to me that your ability to get tickets for away games depends to some degree on your wealth which goes against the current ethos of social inclusion.
I must add a point to qualify this statement however. Some people make sacrifices to watch Scotland and chose to spend what money they have in this way, others earning the same money have different priorities and I entirely accept that the former group should take priority. Therein lies the difficulty. How can you differentiate. And I accept that that is nigh on impossible.
All I am trying to say is that those less well off should not be entirely excluded and made to feel less of a fan. I for one felt just as much of a Scotland fan when i could not get to away games as I do now.
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Total Posts: 2468 | Joined Dec. 2001 | Posted on: 9:38 pm on July 9, 2002 | IP
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Alan
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I definitely think that is a valid point with regards to the home games. I was at the Lithuania game and while it was nice to see Scotland score three goals the crowd was terrible that day. Pricing does affect attendances though as well as team performances.
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Total Posts: 263 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 9:43 pm on July 9, 2002 | IP
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Lamia
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Ah but team performance doesn't seem to affect the demand for away tickets so I would say that if you don't go to a home game cos of that then you can sod aff if you then want away tickets. IMHO
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Total Posts: 2468 | Joined Dec. 2001 | Posted on: 9:47 pm on July 9, 2002 | IP
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craig smith
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home games should definately count for something, I know of people who would go to games at hampden but shriek if they had to go to edinburgh or aberdeen but then think nothing of it to go to poland for a few days!!! bizarre, I recently heard that ticket allocation for the Iceland away game has risen from 700 to 1200
fingers crossed that I wont be watching it on the hill behind the ground
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Total Posts: 362 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 10:08 pm on July 9, 2002 | IP
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shirley temple
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And if all those who travel to away games (and make them so much fun) turned up at home games, maybee we could get back that hampden roar.
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Total Posts: 8 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 10:24 pm on July 9, 2002 | IP
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craig smith
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you are so right shirley,
I met a guy in brussels and once we got started talking i said, maybe I'll see you at the next home game to which he replied, I dont go to home games....he lives in bloody hamilton arsehole
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Total Posts: 362 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 10:44 pm on July 9, 2002 | IP
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WillfaeSwindon
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I agree up to a point, but as someone who goes to nearly every away game, but cant make it to every home game, i have to dissagree!
Nigeria game was a prime example.... after scraping the bottom of my bank account to get to Paris and have some spending money, i couldnt afford to get to Aberdeen, especially on a weeknight.
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Total Posts: 2282 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 10:48 pm on July 9, 2002 | IP
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craig smith
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will,
there are definately exceptions especially for the footsoldiers that live in the south or abroad, but this muppet lived 25 minutes fae hampden to which there are no excuses IMHO
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Total Posts: 362 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 10:56 pm on July 9, 2002 | IP
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VTA
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I suppose the crux of the matter is that the Scotland Travel Club is exactly that - a travel club - and it does a pretty good job. They seem to know everyone by name and look after things as fairly as they can. You will never find something that suits everyone, but the STC seems pretty even handed in my book. Join up and give it a go.
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Total Posts: 208 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 11:00 pm on July 9, 2002 | IP
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Marky
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OK. Honest answer. There are many reason why a lot of people would rather go to away games rather than home and some of them are more valid than others. Personally, for me it is a question of value for money, in more ways than one. I live in Jersey and if I come home for a game it can cost me anyhthing up to £250. I recently went to the Paris game for roughly the same price all in. For that I got travel, four nights accomodation and one hell of a time. For a home game I'd get a flight to Glasgow and a night a ma maw's, with possibly a piss up if any of my mates are up for it on a wet Wednesday night. No comparison. Even if the away trips are a bit more expensive it's still better value for money. Thats the selfish angle. From a football point of view I also think Scotland are better value for money away from home. As the last campaign will definitely testify (Belgium excepted). And finally the bottom line is that of course I can't afford to make it to every game home and away, so I have to make a choice and there is no comparison. Also I believe my support to be more useful away from home than at home. There should be more than enough people in Scotland to fill Hampden without my presence whereas my location puts me at a greater advantage than most for European trips.
Anyway, yes to away record counting and no to home game record counting. Home game record should only count for potentially sold out home games.
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Total Posts: 243 | Joined Oct. 2001 | Posted on: 11:46 pm on July 9, 2002 | IP
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Tartan Army Casualty
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Ticket allocation is a big can of worms with the lid teetering on the abyss.
Not everyone is going to be happy with the outcome, or the process by which that outcome has been arrived at.
Every arguement has it's valid points, and here's mine.
For the regular attendees of away games, make 70% of the tickets available to them, and the further 30% available by ballot. This would enable most people to have at least some chance of bagging a ticket. After all, most of the time, our allocation of away tickets is of a reasonable size.
For home games, there usually isn't that much of a problem picking up a ticket, because it's seldom a full house at Hampden, or any other domestic stadium for that matter. However, for the Germany match next year, I think that could be a sell out, and if demand is very high, then priority should be given to the supporters who have been to the other Home games (including friendlies), with a small percentage (say 10%) on offer to the public.
Of course, for regular attendees, perhaps the SFA could arrange for some sort of season ticket to be available for home games, with maybe a free tour of the museum at Hampden thrown in. This could be made available at a discount to the prices paid for individual games.
I know this makes it pricey if you're paying up front, but it does make financial sense for both the SFA and the supporter who goes to all the games.
There we are, please feel free to rip my comments to shreds at your earlies convenience.
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Total Posts: 1158 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 12:03 am on July 10, 2002 | IP
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giblet
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Guys who go to every trip before the "juicy" one (Germany) should be guaranteed a ticket for that game. The rest should go on how many home games you have been to.
Due to my circs, I dont get a chance to travel as much as I would wish, but do try and make one trip a qualifying series.
I think we may have major problems with ticket allocation for the Germany game, and I think the SFA are already fully aware of this due to the new policy of not giving away tickets out till you are there at the venue.
I think we may get 6500 tickets (10% of capacity as per UEFA rules) we are looking at potentially 15K going over.
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Total Posts: 218 | Joined Feb. 2002 | Posted on: 12:16 am on July 10, 2002 | IP
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Bzzzz
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Aye, we certainly need to do somethin about encouraging attendence to Hampden...
and I think it is aw atmosphere... ye cannae say it is down to team performance cos oor results away from home have hardly been THAT different...
We need tae get moe people there and a SHAG load of more noise and excitement!!!
You would think it would be more forthcoming now we have a bright new future...
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Total Posts: 3332 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 1:18 am on July 10, 2002 | IP
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Tartan Sheep
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I think maybe they do need to take attendance at home games into account when allocating away tickets - but maybe only for those of us who live in Scotland? There's not much excuse for someone in Edinburgh or Glasgow not going to Hampden (or any other venue in Scotland for that matter) - but obviously the same is not true for folks like TAE or DenHaagDavid, especially when the game is midweek.
Maybe what they should do is have some kind of points scheme - 1 point for a home game, 2 for an away in a "big" country (where there are more tickets available and it's easier to get there) and 3 for other aways. It takes much more dedication and ingenuity to get to an away in Croatia (not for Mirza, obviously!) or Lithuania so it should count for more.
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Big Mick
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I agree with most points on this thread, I am in the unfortunate position that due to my finances and other circumstances it is not easy to get to the away games.
As much as I would love to go to the Faroes, Iceland and Lithuania I may be in the unfortunate position of scrambling for a ticket for Germany.
TAC - the season ticket idea is a great idea, as I will not miss a home game, regardless of opposition, unless it is absolutely impossible for me to attend.
It pisses me off that some people will only go to games against the better national teams rather than watch San Marino or the Faroes etc. whether it be a friendly or not.
A points system would be another idea but more points should be given for attending a home game against lesser nations therefore encouraging attendance at these games.
On the other hand folk shouldn't need to be encouraged to watch the national team at home they should get up of their erse.
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Total Posts: 508 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 11:23 am on July 10, 2002 | IP
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tartan tiger
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Think the points scheme is the fairest but would have away games counting for 3 points.
Cannot make it totally fair to everyone due to travel and locations.
Living in London i could get a flight to Glasgow for anywhere between a fiver and 250 but fly to anywhere in Europe for less.
And how long back should the points be awarded?
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