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Davidd
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I've already booked accomodation in dortmund and game isn't until sept next year. There is a major trade fair on at the same time so hotels may be in short supply. As far as flights go, the major airlines don't get the flights onto their systems until 330 days before the flight is due to leave...if my calculations are correct, this means the flights will be available for booking around mid oct this year. Of course just because I have done this, I don't expect to be garunteed a ticked...that's just nonsense. I'm just willing to apply and take my chances with the rest of the TA.
Another question...I've seen in some threads that away tickets will be picked up in the host country, is this correct? If so how does it work, where do you get them etc??
Davy (PUFTA)
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Total Posts: 23 | Joined July 2002 | Posted on: 1:02 pm on July 12, 2002 | IP
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Rowie
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Sorry if this point has already been mentioned, but I have been a member of the STC for 3 and a half years now and have been to every away game (bar one against Bosnia a few years ago) ever since that pish night at Pittodrie against the Faroes in October 1998.
However, because of previous commitments (ie school), it has only been in the last 2 years that i have been free to attend away matches. University commitments have recently hindered any chances of going to away matches, as well as earning money to pay for the expensive trips in the first place.
The only away game i have attended in this time is, shocker, the Belgium match. This game was a real eye-opener, not only because i relaised like so many others how bad the team is at the moment, but because the atmosphere was unforgetable. I will never forget accidentally walking into a belgian supporters bar to have dinner, before having an amazing sing-song with everyone in the pub.
Some of you long in the tooth diehards may disagree with me, but i only intend to travel to Germany next Summer. Unfortunately, my coursework means that i cannot travel to the Faroes or Lithuania (as much as i want to) and the Iceland game is WELL out of my price range. The Germany game fits in perfectly with my Summer holiday's next year, yet, i now have slim hopes of getting a match ticket, the same for my mates who have only just joined last year.
This really p****s me off, cos this means that a future generation of Scotland supporters like myself and William Wallace are being prejudiced against and those guys who have more than enough fond memories to shake a sporran could even be accused of being greedy.
I hold nothing against these supporters, they deserve respect for spending thousands on supporting the team and after all, the team has to come first. I just feel that any system introduced by the STC will only benefit the guys who can get to every, or almost every, match and not the future generations coming through the ranks. After all, isn't that the problem with Scottish football as a whole?
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Total Posts: 36 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 8:16 pm on July 12, 2002 | IP
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William Wallace
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Well, looks like we;re on the same boat Rowie. There's no chance that I can afford to go to the Faroes or Iceland and Lithuania looks doubtful as well and that leaves Germany. If all goes well I'll be just about to start uni around the time of this match, so it fits in perfectly. It's not because we are playing a big team or because it is the last away game and is important, it's because it's the only game that will fit in with school/uni and that I will be able to afford. If it had been Lithuania in September it would probably be that game that I'd be going to. At the end of the day, it's down to your circumstances, which in my case don't suit at the moment. But as I said in my earlier post, I will respect any decision that is made, I just hope it doesnae take me too long to break in as it were.
(Edited by William Wallace at 8:47 pm on July 12, 2002)
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Total Posts: 642 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 8:44 pm on July 12, 2002 | IP
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john b lyons
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Living in the south (Kent) away games are sometimes closer than Home games (and often cheaper) I have friends in the England travel club who tell me they operate on a points system to include home and away. They seem to operate on the system that highest points holders get first choice and then it is a sliding scale. Seems to work okay but with us being scattered further afield i.e London / South East / Holland / Channel Isles etc. the system might need a little `tweaking`..........perhaps points for distance travelled to allow for us poor anglos!
I do like the new thing of having to collect tickets abroad as I know of several who applied for tickets with no intention of travelling therefore depriving others.
 
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Total Posts: 237 | Joined Mar. 2002 | Posted on: 8:59 pm on July 12, 2002 | IP
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WillfaeSwindon
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when did this "collecting tickets over there" thing come in???
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Total Posts: 2282 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 9:10 pm on July 12, 2002 | IP
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JimFaeKdy
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Just back fae a week up North and trying to read/catch up on everything`s a nightmare.....................so can I agree wi awebody?
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Total Posts: 1060 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 9:13 pm on July 12, 2002 | IP
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Diggie Don
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They did it for the Far East, probably because of the lack of time.
I think there was something on the Faroes/Iceland form about collecting tickets in the host country.
I can't see it working for bigger games or ones closer to home because folk will be turning up at all sorts of times right up to kick-off time.
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Total Posts: 226 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 9:16 pm on July 12, 2002 | IP
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WillfaeSwindon
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Far East was collect over there due to the fact that nothing was sorted out sooner. I think it is a good idea though, it will stop people booking it to get tickets for better matches and also it will mean ALL the tickets are used.
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Total Posts: 2282 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 9:26 pm on July 12, 2002 | IP
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ReekySporran
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Rowies said:
"This really p****s me off, cos this means that a future generation of Scotland supporters like myself and William Wallace are being prejudiced against and those guys who have more than enough fond memories to shake a sporran could even be accused of being greedy."
Rowie, you have a lot to learn! you cannot just pick and choose your games, regardless of your personal circumstances, and expect to get a ticket ahead of someone who has spent a lot of time and money following Scotland, its certainly not prejudice. As for accusing more established members of being "greedy", don't even go there......
It has been mentioned before that there are/will be plenty of away matches to go to where you can pick up a ticket no problem, its just that the draw for Euro2004 was pretty unique in throwing up countries where tickets are an issue.
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Total Posts: 747 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 12:45 am on July 13, 2002 | IP
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Ewan K G
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Great postings..great arguments. but can I just say......
Lets go when we can...and if we can't
Bollixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx..
Oh ok admin guys,...get me off.
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Total Posts: 24 | Joined May 2002 | Posted on: 2:20 am on July 13, 2002 | IP
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MacDuffer
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Huge numbers joined the Travel club around the time of the world cup in 1998......
Big games very close at hand......
I believe the club even put a hold on new members at this time...
My point is......I've been a STC member for a long time now and have not missed a major tourney.
I can not afford to go to all the away games but do try to get to the home games, If you know where Macduff is you'll know that is not always the easiest thing to do on a Wednesday night!
I feel that because I have been a member for so long that this should count for something against those band wagon jumpers who joined for the France world cup.
If I was in the first 100 members, I should get the offer of a ticket....if I choose not to take one then someone more able to go further down the line can be offered it.
I hasten to add that I am not in the top 100 but I would be prepared to accept the situation if more senior members got offered tickets before me.
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Total Posts: 192 | Joined Feb. 2002 | Posted on: 10:30 am on July 13, 2002 | IP
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Bzzzz
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Nah, i don't agree with any form of preferential treatment. Doesn't matter if you have been to more games or have been a member longer... whit does that matter? newer members don't have a hidden agenda for applying for tickets, their reasoning is exactly the same as ours. I don't like this kind of stuff... it is bordering on the "we are better than you" shite that we don't need ("cos we been to more games than you" or "cos we have been members longer"... who gies a fuQ, whit does it matter).
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WillfaeSwindon
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I dont think that any benefit should go to people who have been members longer.... THat penalises people just because their parents didnt get aroud to making babies sooner! I do think however that people who make the effort to travel to pishy wee places that arent so attractive as say, Paris, should be rewarded. The thing is No system is ever gonna please everyone, and i think the way they have it now is as fair as you are gonna get it!
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Total Posts: 2282 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 1:03 pm on July 13, 2002 | IP
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shirley temple
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A lot of folk seem to think that if you have been to a number of away games you are minted and have lots of holidays. This may be the case for some members but so many people phone in ill for a few days and then take a tent and go camping(hardly luxury) Having done this on several occasions I just thought it should be highlighted that many people who attend many away games are not rich simply overdrawn.
As suggested earlier I dont think that having booked a trip should garantee a ticket to an away game but I do think picking up tickets in the away country is a great idea as this will stop people buying up tickets for games they dont intend going to. We can only hope that the tickets are given out the day before the game otherwise the choas will be unbelievable.
PS can anyone at the Royal Bank increase my overdraft as I have just booked the trip to Lithuania.
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Total Posts: 8 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 1:41 pm on July 13, 2002 | IP
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The Kilt
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Picking up tickets may be ok in some cases.
ie in korea we were lucky to be staying very close to the teams hotel. If we had not then you would have to travel for "hours!" to pick up tickets. The same applied in Hong Kong!! Thank fully a certain westa guy done the job.
Also what happens when 1000's go to pick up tickets at once.....disaster i bet. Remember the condition we are normally in on Tour.
I agree about people appling for tickets and not going to the game is happening but picking up tickets in Major cities for big well attended games I think it would be a disaster.
And away games MUST count.
No Ballot!
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Total Posts: 238 | Joined April 2002 | Posted on: 6:03 pm on July 13, 2002 | IP
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VTA
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I think its only natural that loyalty is rewarded. The reputation of the Tartan Army has been built on the back of the loyalty of these supporters. That reputation travels in front of us and is in part responsible for the good receptions we get around the globe. Another element in the equation is the STC which runs their club in a manner which will keep that reputation and where possible enhance it. The whole thing seems to operate pretty well. There are opportunities for people to join the ranks and when they do its unlikely there will ever be trouble because none of the more long standing heids will allow it. The STC are able to liaise with foreign authorities and as a result we are well looked after when it is obvious some other nations!!! get the heavy hand (eg the polis cavalcade from the stadium to Bigdosh for our safety). These things all go together and they work out pretty well for everyone. When someone makes their first trip they have given nothing to what the TA is all about. The reason everyone always has a great 1st, 2nd, 3rd trip is partly because the atmosphere was created moons ago by those who laid the foundations and successively by those who have made it their business to keep it going. To deny those people a ticket for Iceland for example and give one to "wee stevie from glasgow uni who is going on his first trip because it fits his holiday schedule and he's heard reykjaviks a laugh" would be complete stupidity as far as I am concerned. But thats the power of a raffle. It is equally so for those who have been going to Hampden (if its you lot that get rocksteady so worked up youve no chance of a ticket!).
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Total Posts: 208 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 7:01 pm on July 13, 2002 | IP
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William Wallace
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I think that's a good point VTA, there are occasionally going to be chancers, just going along for the ride, and if you were to start giving too many of the 'newer' guys the tickets in place of some of the more established guys, who know the ropes, you could start getting problems, and the last thing we want is a bad reputation.
But I also agree with Bzzz and Willfae, the TA is not an exclusive club, and I don't think the STC are in the position to discourage youth and new members, because it's them that we need filling seats at Hampden.
I think the bottom line is that there's no easy answer and that somehow a balance has to be found so that loyalty is rewarded and at the same time, genuine newcomers encouraged.
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Total Posts: 642 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 8:23 pm on July 13, 2002 | IP
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TA Ealing
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Does anyone know what other FA's do regarding the allocation of tickets in their travel clubs?
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Total Posts: 1375 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 8:50 pm on July 13, 2002 | IP
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VTA
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Inclusivity is everything WW, without a doubt. I just think the STC works really well as it is. You only have to look at the England setup to see how things can fall apart. And they have tried to reorganise their club modelled on the STC! I would also add that there are quite a few who refuse to have anything to do with the STC and still go to all the games independently and successfully. I don't think that counting home attendances would really change peoples views on going to home games or not (some would probably just buy tickets to get the points and still not go). The Scotland home games situation is one that the SFA should really be looking at in a different light. They have to look at their pricing structure and their promotion of these games - quite simply they must make them more attractive to the public - they have to proactively sell these matches. Anyone who went to the game in Paris would testify that the French knew how to put on a show and with tickets at reasonable cost. 80000 for a friendly against us - a great night out. I suppose a lot of it comes down to financing and investment but I am pretty sure Scotland home games could be made a lot more attractive with a little more commitment and thought. The home game against Australia brought dozens of complaints about the security situation at Hampden for example. The carnival atmosphere that is apparent elsewhere was stifled by heavy hands. Many on here complained about that and Willie McDougal replied to all I think stating that there were more arrests at that game than the previous Celtic rangers game. Now for a home friendly against Australia! that seems to say there is something very wrong with the organisation and attitude surrounding home matches. Perhaps that is why many prefer to travel because the situation is completely different away. There are certainly people with more money than others but I have never come across anyone with a I'm a better supporter than you attitude because of it. Infact I have only seen the opposite where everyone is equal and often those with more cash are hugely generous with it as well as their goodwill. I remember going on my first trip in my jeans, timberland tshirt and scarf lol. I really had no idea what it was all about and had to run a gauntlet of questions if I was a casual. But in a very short period of time I was made very welcome and still travel with people I met then, although I dress a little differently now! The TA are great people and like I said before I feel we owe those who created this strange beast a little more than a ballot when it comes to tickets.
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Total Posts: 208 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 9:47 pm on July 13, 2002 | IP
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craig smith
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has anyone heard anything more about a Scotland "season ticket" for home games?
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