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Tartan Sheep
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tartan tiger - they should go back to Prague 99 since that's the first away I went to.
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Total Posts: 709 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 12:15 pm on July 10, 2002 | IP
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JANICE BALLOON
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[Bzzz i agree with you about the home games,how about this for an idea ,why cant the S.F.A create a tartan army section JUST for the T.A ,then we can generate our own attmosphere which we create on away games....you never know you might even get some of that old HAMPDED ROAR back .quote]Quote: from Bzzzz on 1:18 am on July 10, 2002
Aye, we certainly need to do somethin about encouraging attendence to Hampden...
and I think it is aw atmosphere... ye cannae say it is down to team performance cos oor results away from home have hardly been THAT different...
We need tae get moe people there and a SHAG load of more noise and excitement!!!
You would think it would be more forthcoming now we have a bright new future...
COME ON FOWKS!!! LETS GIE IT LALDY!!!
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Total Posts: 3 | Joined Mar. 2002 | Posted on: 8:01 pm on July 10, 2002 | IP
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Jimmy Thorburn
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Agree with Mick on this one, points system on a sliding scale. The Germany game is a guaranteed sell out but what's the attendance at the Faroes game gonna be?
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Total Posts: 52 | Joined Feb. 2002 | Posted on: 8:34 pm on July 10, 2002 | IP
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shirley temple
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Great ideas folks, I think points should be awarded and more points for home or away games against the minows than for the giant teams. After all remember the game against england when suddenly filling Hampden was no problem at all. This just weeks after the poor attendance against both Lithuania and Bosnia. And the same will happen shortly for the Germany game. I think tickets for this game should be sold together with a ticket for the weekest nation in our group. That seems fair to me. Thanks for all your great ideas so far.
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Total Posts: 8 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 9:25 pm on July 10, 2002 | IP
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Lamia
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I do not think it is practical to differentiate on the basis of where you live. You need to keep the thing simple IMO. There are reasons for being unable to attend home games just as their are reasons to not be able to attend away games.
And I also think that yes those living in England do have additional expense when travelling to home games but they also are more likely to get cheeper (and more convenient) deals going to many of the away games especially if they live near London. (granted the 2004 campaign is slightly different but I would suggest unusual) BTW spare a thought for TA living in our various island communities who have the worst of both worlds when it comes to attendance at home or away games.
There are too many arguments about who is deserving and who is not to be able to cover everything in a ticket allocation system.
I like the idea that home games count but am not sure how practical that is in some cases given the small numbers of tickets allocated for many away ties takimg account of the numbers of people attending home games and the numbers also attending many away games. Not sure how you could get the numbers to stack up.
Setting aside a proportion of tickets for a ballot also has merit.
In the end of the day there is no ideal way to do it and someone will always feel hard-done-by
(Edited by Lamia at 10:36 pm on July 10, 2002)
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Total Posts: 2468 | Joined Dec. 2001 | Posted on: 10:33 pm on July 10, 2002 | IP
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William Wallace
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The voice of reason as always. 
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Total Posts: 642 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 10:40 pm on July 10, 2002 | IP
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WillfaeSwindon
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I dont agree with a points system for the smaller away games..... we are looking at only a few hundred tickets for the Faroes and Iceland games where there are more than likely gonna be alot more people wanting to go. Another example was the Czech republic...... So many peolpe wanted to go, but alot of people missed out (namely me )
There is never going to be a way to satisfy everyone unless they build stadia that magically change in size depending on how many people want to go!!!
I think that the way they got it at the moment is fair enough as you can really get...... First choice goes to regular travellers, then a ballot. simple.
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Total Posts: 2282 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 10:55 pm on July 10, 2002 | IP
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Bzzzz
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Agree totally Will...
also think that the points system would possibly cause "cliques" and " elitism".. definately things that we can do without... (some of us have or are experiencing it elsewhere and it ruins EVERYTHING!)
Alot of the away trips are difficult for various people to get to and because of comittments sometimes fowk cannae get tae home games... I don't think its fair to punish people for their lifestyles.
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Total Posts: 3332 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 11:01 pm on July 10, 2002 | IP
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WillfaeSwindon
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Lets face it, the only fair way of doing it is a ballot. but then the people that try and go to every away game could miss out Could always petition FIFA to only let in away fans when Scotland are playing away!
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Total Posts: 2282 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 11:10 pm on July 10, 2002 | IP
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Bzzzz
One and Only! |
Agree again Will!
ONLY Scotland fans at Scotland away games!!
Thats the game.
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Total Posts: 3332 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 11:29 pm on July 10, 2002 | IP
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ReekySporran
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I'm all in favour of a points system to decide allocation of tickets and for home games to count, the simple way to go about not penalising TA outwith Scotland is give them more points eg:
Home Game: 1 point
Home Game (TA "abroad": 2 points
Away Game: everyone 3 points
How far back to go? the last qualifying campaign, therefore points for Euro 2004 qualifying count from games played between July 2000 - July 2002, including friendlies. Then points for the qualifying matches for 2006 count between July 2002 - July 2004 etc etc.
I don't think that this will form a clique at all, why should it? its only a system to decide tickets, it doesn't stop you from travelling and taking a chance to pick up a ticket at the ground, its just a fairer distribution method. Lets face it, its better than the "non-policy" that we have at the moment.
Perhaps ATAC should canvas members and if there is a strong feeling towards a points system or the like, then lobby the SFA.
IMHO
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Total Posts: 747 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 11:33 pm on July 10, 2002 | IP
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Lamia
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Reekie,
I am sure if enough members lobbied their ATAC clubs they would do just that.
(Edited by Lamia at 8:26 am on July 11, 2002)
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Total Posts: 2468 | Joined Dec. 2001 | Posted on: 8:24 am on July 11, 2002 | IP
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TA Ealing
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You are right about the Scottish Island folks Lamia, if I still lived in Benbecula (unless I was ethnically cleansed!!) there would be little chance of me getting to the games.
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Total Posts: 1375 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 8:33 am on July 11, 2002 | IP
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Gemmills Goal
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A points system would be fine - in theory. But where do you start it from? In reality, that would have to be from the game after such a decision was taken to introduce the scheme. If by magic this was to be from the Denmark game - everyone who had a good away travel record would be lumped in the same free-for-all as someone who went along to Hampden for their own debut at a Scotland game.
I'm sure regular travellers can see the danger here, and what it could mean for the German game and any subsequent Euro 2004 tournament games.
I'm against a points system unless it was introduced with some sort of co-efficient (aaaargh! - I hate them, too) to take account of at least two years of away travel to Scotland games including friendlies.
(Edited by Gemmills Goal at 9:10 am on July 11, 2002)
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Total Posts: 1026 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 9:10 am on July 11, 2002 | IP
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Auld_Reekie
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To be honest, Im not a fan of a points system as I think it would cause more problems than at the moment. To be honest, a points system is preferred to a lot of people as it basically looks after number one. "Ive been to every game for the last ten years, I should be entitled to a ticket" is understandable but if 10000 all go to every game for ten years, its impossible to attract a new generation of fans as the likely hood of them being able to get a ticket is very slim.
Im much more in favour of a ballot whereby every single fan, whether it be young or old, inexperienced or a lifelong footsoldier is given the same opportunity to support their country. At the end of the day, every fan will (or should!) give their unwavering support to the cause.
Fair enough, people will be disappointed but thats life. We cant have it all our way. We cant introduce rules that protect our interests and minimalise the chances of others to enjoy the life of the Tartan Army.
Lamia summed it up perfectly so Ill stop rambling.
AR.
PS: Just so you know, Ive only been one away game (Paris in March) but certainly intend on travelling to all the away games now. Im trying to get very involved in the Tartan Army and its culture but I think a points system would just prevent me from doing so.
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Total Posts: 110 | Joined Dec. 2001 | Posted on: 11:45 am on July 11, 2002 | IP
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ReekySporran
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AR, a points system will not stop you getting involved, remember that there are very few games that have a shortage of tickets anyway.
An open ballot is just not on, and I would think that there are very few supporters of that idea on here.
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Total Posts: 747 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 11:51 am on July 11, 2002 | IP
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WillfaeSwindon
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I think an open ballot is the only way if the match is totally over demanded.....I think the figure for Czech Rep. was three people wanting a ticket for every ticket available!
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Total Posts: 2282 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 11:57 am on July 11, 2002 | IP
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Davidd
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It is a very difficult area, no doubt about that. No matter which way they jump, some people are not going to be satisfied. Here's my view.
It should work on some type of points system. I also think that attendance to home games should come into the equation. Every one who applies for a ticket for an away game should recieve 2 points...whether they actually recieve a ticket or not, it's not fair to descriminate between 2 people just because one guy got lucky in a ballot and the other guy didn't. I think that if you show intention of attending an away game you should get the points (intention being actually willing to pay for a ticket). Secondly, if you attend a home game you recieve one point. I don't subscribe to the view that people can't attend home games because of geography e.g. I can't attend games in Scotland because I live in England but I can easily travel to Belgium.
This would build up a league table, if you like of STC members and priority would always go to the more regular attenders of both home and away matches.
Anyone who says I should get preference because i go to all the away games is kidding themselves...we're here to support Scotland, not just Scotland away!!
Davy (PUFTA)
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Total Posts: 23 | Joined July 2002 | Posted on: 12:10 pm on July 11, 2002 | IP
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tartanali
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The travel club was primarily set up to look after Scottish fans who travel to "away" games so why should home matches count for anything when allocating tickets to "away" games.
You do not have to get your tickets for home matches through the travel club and even if you do, not everyone applies for their own tickets and so their STC number is not registered....especially for the smaller games when you know that it will not be a problem getting tickets.
This is not a selfish viewpoint as I have not missed a home game in years and always get my tickets through the STC.
Key word in the Scottish Travel Club is "Travel".
Ali
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Total Posts: 36 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 12:34 pm on July 11, 2002 | IP
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perthTam
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As said before it is not many games that do not supply enough tickets so I am all for a straight ballot.
The ballot should allow groups of up to a dozen or so to be entered as one "entry" for that number of tickets (so that groups of you who always travel together can still do that if successful in the ballot). You would only be allowed to enter the ballot once - either as an individual or as a member of one of the "groups"
Some folks won't like it but I think this is better than the "I am a better fan than you" syndrome and no new life blood coming into the crowd.
Tam
PS: I too have only been to one away game (Paris in March) but enjoyed the time so much I want to join as many other trips as possible (and finances permit).
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