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Seems Bertie Ahern has won an easy victory in the Irish election. Could someone please remind me if this is good or bad for our chances of hosting euro2008.
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Total Posts: 102 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 1:50 pm on May 19, 2002 | IP
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sonny
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Exactly,
The Whackey races move on. Dunno if he got an overall majority. If he didn't then the coalition partners would have to agree to a new stadium being built. That then means that the plan has about 2 weeks to be ready to submit to Uefa. That plan will still be being written whilst the FAI are off to Hong Kong for the wc. We've just lost the main man who was putting together the financial package which will underpin the bid. Oh and the Austria-Swiss bid plan was completed ages ago. After all that Uefa still have to make a decision. Some of the critical issues will be transport link between Ireland and Scotland eg. 40 000 people needing to get to Ireland on the same day from Glasgow, internal infrastructure in Ireland such as hotels, public transport and roads are deeply suspect. Also, Ireland don't have fan security apparatus....
All that aside, back in bonny Scotland we have to pretend that everything is rosey and that the bid looks great. Reminds me of the Soviet party conference, where people had to stand up and proclaim love for their leadership or they would dissapear.
This is the land of New Labour after all. Ok Tartan Lemmings, line up.
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m3 
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#Moderation Mode
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methilstevie
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Public Transport around Dublin shouldn't be a problem for fans,with both stadia in the same city,an international airport,and ferry links to wales and france.The punters, might not be too impressed with the prices of accommodation and drink,but besides that,I don't see a problem.I suppose some might base themselves in the north,if they're brave.Transport links from Dublin to Belfast are pretty good,and Northern Ireland's roads are decent.The ferries are never that busy either.I'm more interested in where WE are going to put all our fans,when we struggled to accomodate visitors for one match!
If we do get the nod,we'd need a few more hotels,IMO.
And it wouldn't harm matters if we could get rail links to our airports-something that was mentioned in the early days of the Scottish Parliament.
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Total Posts: 381 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 4:39 pm on May 19, 2002 | IP
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sonny
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Meths,
Links to Wales and France are grand but fans may need to get quickly from Glasgow to Dublin and so you could easily have 40 000 fowks trying to get on the ferries and planes in one day on top of the usual. If you can think about what that involves then fair play to you - I find it a mental proposition.
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Total Posts: 2120 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 6:08 pm on May 19, 2002 | IP
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methilstevie
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I'm not really sure how the groupings would work,are they proposing one group based in Ireland,plus a handful of later stage matches?
It all depends on who ends up in Ireland I suppose.
If it's Russia,Norway,Finland and Poland,it would be a wee bit easier!
I guess I see what you are saying,for an important 2nd or 3rd round tie.
But Greece/Turkey Bid and the Scandic Bid will face the same worries.There will have to extra flights,and ferry crossings.They're not all going to turn up at the same time!
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Total Posts: 381 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 7:04 pm on May 19, 2002 | IP
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tommyt
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Sonny, your tone is about annoying as it can get, all of this "I'm a patriot really but we're just too wee and too pish to do anything this good" could be taken straight from the book according to McConnel.
It will be tough to beat the Austrin/Swiss bid, I agree with that, but just because they submitted early doesnt mean its a better bid than ours, they have fewer stadia ready to go & transport links between the countires are not great (what with the Alps to get round or over & the fact that Switzerland isnt in the EU).
As for your 40K's worth of fans in a day pish, Ireland get one group, one quarter and a semi, so one set of fans have to get from scotland to ireland for a quarter, another one for a semi and then one set has to get back for the final. Lets say we are talking about well supported teams, your probably still only talking about 10K per country across a period of three or four days. Now the airports and ferries would be busy - I'll give you that, but c'mon its not impossible.
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Total Posts: 43 | Joined Oct. 2001 | Posted on: 7:07 pm on May 19, 2002 | IP
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macpele
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Sonny in every thread your negative about hosting these championships here.
Do you have an agenda that your working to, seems odd to me that someone would care so much about our bid failing.
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sonny
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TommyT,
You couldn't have typecast me more wrongly. I think Scotland can do it alone and would still prefer to bid solo at a later date (As the Irish may be thinking for themselves?).
Macpele, It's just a small matter of taking ourselves seriously when you have to. No-one without an axe to grind can say that the way this bid has been conducted has been a shambles! I can't stand McConnell taking the piss. I care about this topic it's true and upmost in my mind is the dignity of our country.
Remember we have already been lied to over this and to trust our national emotions in this Executive would be a child-like mistake. If they want to make it happen then great, let them prove it.
Thurs a lot of bluster about this bid that needs exposing and the facts will out nomatter how unpalatable that is to others.
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Total Posts: 2120 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 8:53 pm on May 19, 2002 | IP
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Jonny
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There is the issue that the final group games have to be played at the same time. So two sets of fans will have to get from Dublin to Glasgow for the last group game in the 'Irish' section, which disnae seem too clever.
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Jam
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Is that coz they winnae allow twa games tae be played in the same city at the same time? Have they definitely said so? If this is the case this is a huge setback for our bid. But it may not be the case. Is Stadium Ireland not far away from the alternative stadia (Croke, Lansdown)?
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Total Posts: 477 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 10:26 am on May 20, 2002 | IP
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Jonny
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It's pretty much guaranteed that the polis wouldn't allow it.
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Total Posts: 480 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 11:41 am on May 20, 2002 | IP
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Jam
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We need an answer on this coz that is a real phuck up if two teams fae Ireland's group have to fire over tae Glesga on the last group game.
Assuming Ireland's group, quarter final and semi final all are in Ireland then...
This means that two teams have to go from Dublin to Glasgow at last match group stage.
Either one or two teams have to fly to Ireland for quarter finals from Scotland (one team from Scottish section and potentially one of the teams that flew to Scotland from Ireland).
One team from Irish section flies to Scotland for quarter final.
One team goes to Ireland for the semi from Scotland.
One team goes to Scotland from Ireland for final.
6-7 crossings with potential for 1 team to cross the sea 3 times.
Hmmm. Not impossible but a definite downside.
This needs answered. Could the unfortunate team/teams get their travel subsidised?
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Total Posts: 477 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 11:58 am on May 20, 2002 | IP
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Jam
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In fact thinking about this, it's answers to exact problems like this that we need to get momentum behind our bid and people behind it - which some people on this board have recently been calling for.
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Total Posts: 477 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 12:08 pm on May 20, 2002 | IP
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sonny
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Too right Jam,
Men need facts!
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Total Posts: 2120 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 9:10 pm on May 20, 2002 | IP
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Jam
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Just revisited my sums and if two teams from Ireland have to go to Scotland for the last group stage then presumably Ireland would want to teams from Scotland to go to Ireland for the last match in the group stage so they host the requisite number of group stage games - up to an extra 4 crossings. Thus 10-11 crossings of the Irish Sea not 6-7 as I previously thought. If one of these teams is Scotland or Ireland then the traffic across the sea is likely to be 30,000 folk for that team alone.
If the last group match problem hadn't existed then we would be down to 4-5 crossings.
Again do-able, but let's not pretend that it's not problematic coz it is.
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Total Posts: 477 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 9:53 am on May 21, 2002 | IP
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sonny
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Depends on the teams Jam,
England and Germany would have a huge following I'd imagine.
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Total Posts: 2120 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 10:24 am on May 21, 2002 | IP
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Jonny
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It does depend on the teams but a draw cannae be fixed so that England and Germany don't have to go tae Dublin, thankfully.
Uefa arenae gonnae look at this n think 'och it'll be awricht'. The last I'd heard was that the consensus was the Irish wanted a group stage and a semi. Because of this final group game concurrence and Polis problem thing, they cannae get a whole group stage.
There's no way they're getting the final which means, they'll want a semi and and quarter which leads to the travel nightmare as Jam described.
Mibbe a way round this may be to see if the 2 Dublin games can be played at the same time (might not be as big a problem if Bertis Bowl is 15 miles away from Lansdowne/Croke and fly over a load of weejie polis to help the garda. :franklyanunlikelyscenario:
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Total Posts: 480 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 5:10 pm on May 21, 2002 | IP
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Jonny
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Checked out the Nordic2008 site and they're not going to have the same problem as they've got 2 stadiums in each country. They've also already allocated who's getting what games. I hope Simon Lyons is pushing everyone to get their fingers out on this because with under 2 weeks left it seems that basic questions like this haven't even been considered.
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Total Posts: 480 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 7:21 am on May 22, 2002 | IP
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Jam
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I take it ye mean the two stadiums are in different cities.
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