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I'm sure this was probably discussed at the beginnings of The Sunshine Appeal, so please forgive me if I'm making you go over old ground. Also, please don't take this as a slight on the work you guys do, which I think is fantastic, but it occurred to me that there are plenty of underprivileged kids in our own country too, and I was wondering if part of the money raised could be used towards them. Obviously this is just a rough idea, but what about every now and then, giving them the opportunity to go to Scotland home games or raise money to buy tops or something. Maybe even a different appeal? As I said, just a thought!
Keep up the good work!
(Edited by Janco at 12:33 pm on July 15, 2002)
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Ruary
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Janco,
It has already been discussed and it is hoped as I think I have said elsewhere that the appeal might generate enough money to bring some "Sunshine" to some of the kids closer to home i.e. Scotland.
As the appeal involves everyone it therefore also allows any ideas to be put forwarded for consideration so dont worry about offending anyone in fact posts like yours are most welcome as they bring to the attention of the appeal some different ideas and viewpoints.
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insomnia
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Janco,
I myself would like to see the money going to children of a poor country we are visiting. Much of the money that is raised for these children abroad is swallowed up by red tape, administration etc. The money from the sunshine appeal will go direct to the kids. I hope will make them feel there not forgotten,at least for one day.
I donate to local charity's quite often (not as much as i should), but i don't think some of the countries we visit have even got that little help. My personal view.
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Ghaax
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Janco, Insomnia - you're right!
This is why there is no one person or even a "board" who decides where the money goes.
Mirza, Ruary, Ally M, Ian L, even all the moderators(!) have exactly the same input as everyone else who has contributed.
The majority were in favour of giving something back to countries we visit, in some form or other. Giving to local kids was just one suggestion.
Obviously this is always open to discussion and every positive input is welcome.
There were a number of Scottish ideas put forward - homeless, disabled, under privilaged kids, orphans were some of them.
Personally, I'd like us to organise something maybe once a year for the benefit of people in this country.
But that's just me - I'm sure there will be plenty more discussion on this. 
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Gemmills Goal
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I think there's a lot of scope to do something for both home and aways games. Getting too rigid about things from that start only reduces future flexibility.
One thing, with regards home fixtures - what about if we decided (once there was a big enough pool of cash)
to agree to fund the tickets for 10/15/20, whatever, number of kids from a home or the like to go to one of the friendly games. This would be a good way of encouraging them for future years to get behind the team. It would be a nice gesture if we could persuade the SFA to match the number of tickets we buy.
Bear in mind also, that most of the cash going to overseas projects will buy more per pound than those donated to at home.
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Tartan Sheep
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I like the idea of funding some Scottish kids going to the game - I'm sure there are lots of kids in homes who would love that opportunity. It's also a nice way of keeping it linked to football and the team we all love (well, most of the time, anyway!)
For the overseas trips, is the idea to just donate money, or to take parcels of clothes/toys/sweets and donate them? I personally think that donating parcels is safer as it ensures that the kids get the benefit. I'm sure we've all seen pictures of the kids in war zones etc getting their Christmas boxes from the Daily Record appeal or the Salvation Army appeals - the looks on their faces as they opened possibly their first ever present was just amazing.
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Dianne
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That's a grand idea TS 
Would it be possible to sort something out with Safeway to have clothes/toys etc collected at their stores on our behalf??? Maybe in time for xmas???
Just a though....... :smoke:
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ReekysBurd
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I think it is a great idea about using the money to get tickets for Scottish kids to get to the games, especally if the SFA will match the number of tickets (it would be great publisity for them if nothing else).
I agree with Gemmills Goal we can not get to rigid about where and who benifits. It depends on where we play and the situation in that country.
Out of intrest (cause I am a newbie) is something dontated for every away game? or is this still being set up 
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Ally Macabre
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Reekysburd and ab'dy else....
It's still a bit vague to be honest - I think!
Ruary has an introduction on this on the main menu page which explains things.
I guess the idea is to try and do something most trips we go on, but the Sunshine Appeal is still a new idea, and needs a bit of time to get going.
With this being an open forum, and the main area for promoting the appeal!, there will be lots of ideas what should be done with the money. Practically though, someone will have to make decisions, and won't be able to meet every suggestion or keep everybody happy.
I guess it needs time to find its feet, but have no doubt - the money will do some good somewhere.
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sonny
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I once invited a homeless person to stay at my flat one night. The next day I told him to leave. What good had I done in the long run other than making myself feel better?
That's a drunken rhetorical question and I don't expect any one to take any notice of it.
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Ruary
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.................. and your point was what Sonny?
I trust you are not about to start undermining the Sunshine Appeal before it has got properly off the ground yet. A lot of people have put a lot of work into this and even more have very generously contributed. Give us a chance to get our heads together and see what we can come up with.
Sonny you have been warned 
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Ally Macabre
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Sonny,
maybe you didn't fix the mans life for him, but you showed him greater kindness than probably anyone else in his life.
Most homeless people have many more problems than simply being homeless - and it's not something as individuals we can really do much about IMO. That's something Society has to address.
At least for one night he was warm and safe. That is a gift in itself.
The sunshine appeal won't fix the world, but much as that one man will remember you forever, maybe some kids will always remember the day a bunch of hairy ar5ed Scotsmen came to town...
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Ghaax
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It's gonnae be difficult choosing who benefits from this fund and as Ally said we won't make everyone happy when we do choose.
But I know one thing, if we do something - however big or small the gesture - it will be better than sitting on our erses doing nothing!
Even making a kid smile for a couple of hours is better than leaving it sitting sad & bored in the corner for those two hours.
Besides, I'm gonnae gie them a football and a couple of jumpers for goalposts so even efter we've left they can still get enjoyment huvin' a wee kickaboot!
Methinks Sonny is just up to mischief!
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Lamia
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Ruary,
We are all entitled to our opinions and I am sorry but sonny's opinion is valid as it it held by many people I know who are particular about the causes they support.
We should all be able to contribute our views. I do not see why one persons opinion should "undermine" the appeal and in the end of the day the concensus should hold.
The only fault I would say with sonny's post was that he posted a negative with no postive alternative.
(Edited by Lamia at 4:36 pm on July 20, 2002)
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Lamia
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My opinon is that small things may not change the world but as others have said they are better than doing nothing.
Small acts of kindness will brighten up anyones day and are in certain cases never forgotton.
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Andy Gray
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If you can change only 1 persons life for the better, then f***in' brilliant.
Can't believe anyone has negative points to make on the appeal.......
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Ruary
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Dear Lamia,
you are of course correct that everyone has an opinion I like you and everyone else on here have lots. Sometimes it is appropriate to voice an opinion and at others it is not. As an educated woman you surely realise this as I am sure does Sonny. Sonny's post in my opinion was nothing more than a cheap dig at the appeal which I felt was uncalled for. The appeal is not about changing the world but rather bringing a little sunshine into the lives of some of the people less fortunate than ourselves. I believe like Andy Gray if you can do something whether a little or a lot that will have a positive or beneficial affect on another person irrespective if it is for a minute or a lifetime then it is worthwhile doing so.
To the best of my knowledge the Sunshine Appeal has, like the Kemal Karic appeal really got everyone pulling together on this board as most people seem to think that a little is better than nothing at all. I also believe that Sonny's comments are a kick in the teeth to everyone of us who have put something into making the appeal a success whether by actions or by contributing not least of all your husband. In effect I took from Sonny's post that if you cant change someone's life forever then dont bother, we are just a bunch of football fans no more no less who have all banded together to raise a few pounds to brighten a few people's lives up. With the overwhelming support by all of us TAMBers towards the appeal I feel that this was one occasion where someones opinion should have remained inside their head. I also believe that this was also an occasion for not adopting the "this is a free speech area and anyone can say what they like"
Just my opinion but I am sure it is one shared by most who have contributed.
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Lamia
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I have to agree that the idea of helping Scottish kids get to games is a good one. Football can be out of reach of many kids these days due to the cost of tickets.
I would imagine that donating money to kids homes or other organisations to allow underprivileged kids to attend games should allow responsible adults/carers to accompany the kids. Thus ensuring that drunken footsoldiers will not have to be responsible for them....
I think the suggestion of donating parcels may have some logistical problems but may be wrong.
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Ghaax
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It will be harder but I'm still giein' them a fitba'!!
Whether we give money or gifts will need to be discussed for each individual occasion. It'll depend on who we want to benefit and how much red tape there will be.
One thing that's for sure - those of us who like to travel as I do - small rucksack on back and wearin' everything else! - will find that we might no' be wantin' tae carry a box o' goodies!
There's plenty o' organisations/homes/charities for adults that cannae spare money for trips tae Hampden but are full o' fitba' fans. Maybe we could also condsider some of these?
Naturally "minders" wil be needed considering how irresposible we like to get on match days!!
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sonny
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Mmmm,
Forgotten I posted here. It was my intention never to do so but the demon drink......
I have beliefs about the welfare of human beings and I believe that charities themselves undermine the organisation of human welfare. BTW, I also believe that there is every chance I could be wrong and so I wish you guys all the best.
I don't want to go into the mechanics of it as the subject is too emotive to have a meaningful discussion about it on the TAMB.
I just wanted you fowks to know that I wasn't trying to undermine anything as, believe it or not, I do have a life and I don't think in terms of undermining people - not my style.
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