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LornaMac
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Having blundered around here for nearly 2 days now I read almost everywhere that if it weren't for the pro-England commentators, the TA would be struggling to justify its anti-English stance.
So why not insist something's done about it? If it's that important - bombard BBC Scotland - you've got "millions" of members (I read right here) - two or three emails and phone calls a day would soon draw their attention to the matter. All they have to do is send a couple of extra guys out to the World Cup - they get exactly the same picture feeds as everyone else and it would be relatively very cheap indeed compared to other broadcasting services. Why don't they do it?
I have to agree that if it were the other way round (and in the days of Archie MacP. it often was and I hated it) I would be incensed and I would campaign about it vigorously. But then I am English and noisy.
BBC Scotland gets vast amounts of cash compared with other nations or regions. Scotland already enjoys the unique ability to present a pro-Scottish angle using BBC Scotland and Radio Scotland, unlike England. Despite the outraged cries which I am hearing right now, there is no BBC England and no Radio England - England must share with the UK BBC. No wonder its point is put in a biased fashion - there is no other possible forum for it.
Surely if you can travel the world influencing people you can come up with something persuasive and do a bit of work at home?
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Total Posts: 15 | Joined June 2002 | Posted on: 7:02 pm on June 11, 2002 | IP
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Jonny
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Cue Sonny's TA Commentaries......
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Total Posts: 546 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 7:08 pm on June 11, 2002 | IP
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Ghaax
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Well........that's that easily sorted then, isn't it?
Now - what about the printed media, Lorna?
BTW - if you've previously worked in that line of business yourself you'll know not to take every word as gospel. Will you accept "hundreds of thousands"?? 
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Total Posts: 676 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 7:33 pm on June 11, 2002 | IP
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Rossy
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LornaMac - Don't be silly as to put things in such black and white terms. BBC Scotland unfortunately a regional broadcaster and as such doesn't have the power (or the will) to have it's own presence at the World's major sporting event. And until we have our own country, nothing will change.
You have to remember that only a minority of us on here, or TA in general, consider themselves British rather than Scottish. As such, when it comes to major events such as this, we are subject to the broadcasting of a nation that we consider as 'foreign'. We're not English, yet if we want to watch the World Cup, we are forced to watch media coverage which may be 'British' in name, but is certainly English in nature.
I do get irritated with some of the commentators themselves, not so much because of the natural bias shown towards the English team, but because often they are patronising, arrogant and ignorant. At this moment I'm watching the BBC highlights and I've had to listen to Peter Schmeichel being ridiculed by Hansen and Lineker, simply because he opinioned that Germany could go quite far.
Why should these so called experts be allowed to air their petty-minded, xenophobic bias simply because traditionally England lose to Germany ? Hansen himself is becoming more ignorant and loudmouth as the tournament progresses, and the lack of respect the English (I include Hansen) pundits give to other nations is astounding. Or maybe not.
The BBC is becoming a visual version of The Sun. Give me a reason why people in another country, i.e. us, should enjoy putting up with this ?
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Total Posts: 374 | Joined Nov. 2001 | Posted on: 7:46 pm on June 11, 2002 | IP
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mr shangalang
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........
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Total Posts: 481 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 7:49 pm on June 11, 2002 | IP
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LornaMac
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Quote: from Rossy on 7:46 pm on June 11, 2002
LornaMac - Don't be silly as to put things in such black and white terms. BBC Scotland unfortunately a regional broadcaster and as such doesn't have the power (or the will) to have it's own presence at the World's major sporting event. And until we have our own country, nothing will change.
You have to remember that only a minority of us on here, or TA in general, consider themselves British rather than Scottish. As such, when it comes to major events such as this, we are subject to the broadcasting of a nation that we consider as 'foreign'. We're not English, yet if we want to watch the World Cup, we are forced to watch media coverage which may be 'British' in name, but is certainly English in nature.
I do get irritated with some of the commentators themselves, not so much because of the natural bias shown towards the English team, but because often they are patronising, arrogant and ignorant. At this moment I'm watching the BBC highlights and I've had to listen to Peter Schmeichel being ridiculed by Hansen and Lineker, simply because he opinioned that Germany could go quite far.
Why should these so called experts be allowed to air their petty-minded, xenophobic bias simply because traditionally England lose to Germany ? Hansen himself is becoming more ignorant and loudmouth as the tournament progresses, and the lack of respect the English (I include Hansen) pundits give to other nations is astounding. Or maybe not.
The BBC is becoming a visual version of The Sun. Give me a reason why people in another country, i.e. us, should enjoy putting up with this ?
You can't just pretend people aren't Scottish because they don't agree with you or because they are bigoted or biased! Why don't you take responsibility for them and confront them, in the way that English people are expected to take responsibility for "their" hooligans? That you don't is indicative of national immaturity.
BBC Scotland is largely independent of the rest of the BBC. It is certainly easily within its aegis to cover the World Cup and other events independently, in the way that the Scottish newspapers do. It has the money, it has the staff, it apparently has the audience. It doesn't have the will. I want to know why not. I agree with you about the commentators, as do many other English people. We're sick of them too. Ask any English woman.
What have you ever done about it other than moan?
I am aware of Scottish views on Britishness. However, Scotland's people have the opportunity to vote for an independence party at every election, local and national. It never happens.
You can't bang on about independence if you won't even vote for it. You could have "your own country" any time. So why don't you?
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Total Posts: 15 | Joined June 2002 | Posted on: 8:01 pm on June 11, 2002 | IP
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Rossy
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Christ a mighty, if you knew the arguments we have about this. A group of us were out 2 nights ago, had a bite to eat, and a long and animated discussion over exactly this. 7 of us there, and almost 7 different opinions were aired. We all KNOW how to gain independence....and we also know that many people in Scotland are 90 minute patriots and will continue either not to vote or to vote for a Unionist party.
People on this board don't pretend to speak for 5 million other Scots...some on this board are comfortable within the Union, others aren't.
I would hope, and I can't speak for others, that people here wouldn't be hypocritical enough to criticise the lack of independence we have on one hand, yet vote for a Unionist party on the other. I would hope not, but doubt if it is like that.
There are many, many threads on here about all this already, so it's been debated to death, revived, and killed again more times than Frankenstein's monster.
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Total Posts: 374 | Joined Nov. 2001 | Posted on: 8:13 pm on June 11, 2002 | IP
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LornaMac
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Quote: from Rossy on 8:13 pm on June 11, 2002
Christ a mighty, if you knew the arguments we have about this. A group of us were out 2 nights ago, had a bite to eat, and a long and animated discussion over exactly this. 7 of us there, and almost 7 different opinions were aired. We all KNOW how to gain independence....and we also know that many people in Scotland are 90 minute patriots and will continue either not to vote or to vote for a Unionist party.
People on this board don't pretend to speak for 5 million other Scots...some on this board are comfortable within the Union, others aren't.
I would hope, and I can't speak for others, that people here wouldn't be hypocritical enough to criticise the lack of independence we have on one hand, yet vote for a Unionist party on the other. I would hope not, but doubt if it is like that.
There are many, many threads on here about all this already, so it's been debated to death, revived, and killed again more times than Frankenstein's monster.
OK, but I think I have to say, if you all hate those commentators so much, you could and should do something populist, funny and successful about it, not take it out on hapless English people. You've got a strong international reputation (yes, being kind to old ladies and helping kittens across the road to the sound of Cliff Richard songs, no doubt but all the same nobody could deny it's genuinely there!) - why not use it?
Hope you had a nice dinner by the way.
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Total Posts: 15 | Joined June 2002 | Posted on: 8:34 pm on June 11, 2002 | IP
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Rossy
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Very nice, ta very much. We were sitting at an Italian restaurant in Hannover before heading to watch Rod Stewart.
Naturally on the way, we helped a few old Frau's across the strasse (apart from one old English woman, we left her on a traffic island), rescued a budgie from a tree and put out a fire in an oil refinery.....just a normal day in the life of a public spirited TA member...
You should really consider joining us Lorna, you sound like somebody who devotes her life to the care and enjoyment of others....
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Total Posts: 374 | Joined Nov. 2001 | Posted on: 8:51 pm on June 11, 2002 | IP
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Jonny
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I'm wae Shangalang.........yawn.......
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Total Posts: 546 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 9:08 pm on June 11, 2002 | IP
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Rossy
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I didnae realise that my posts had to pass your personal inspection and approval.
If yer that bored, just leave the soddin thread alone.
(Edited by Rossy at 9:42 pm on June 11, 2002)
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Total Posts: 374 | Joined Nov. 2001 | Posted on: 9:40 pm on June 11, 2002 | IP
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Jonny
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Rossy - Sorry - I hope ye didnae hink I wis havin a go at your posts - it's been a long few days responding to interloping nonsense about who Scots should support and diving english players and penalties, commentators and aw that nonsense - I wis just aw typed out...
After reading your post (next time I'll try no to be so lazy, but I've been getting fed up with all this having to explain/defend yourselves pash) I agree with you completely.
(Edited by Jonny at 11:55 pm on June 11, 2002)
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Total Posts: 546 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 10:18 pm on June 11, 2002 | IP
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sonny
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It's not that we don't like their commentary, it's just that they are intrinsicly bad - nothing to do with taste. Other countries would shudder if they had such jingoistic kak masquerading as commentary. For 'British' broadcasting see 'English' and BTW, Scots are net contributors to the BBC so the financial arguement is as tripe as the blethers on the box. Same ole simplistic arrogant analysis of our unfortunate 'shared' reality.
Where's the pub?
Oh, if you don't like it then listen to Tartan Commentating, show starts at 7am the morra. So tune in to http://www.webta.co.uk listen through the pc and turn down the tv volume.
Mon the Nigerians!
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Total Posts: 2281 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 12:31 am on June 12, 2002 | IP
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VTA
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Had such a huge crush on a LornaMac for many a year. Hope its no the same one. She used to to be flighty and funny! I've gone right off her nooooooooooo
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Total Posts: 203 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 12:35 am on June 12, 2002 | IP
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fitlikemin
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have just checked the bbc home page, and now hae to admit that it must be paranoia on my part about commentators being biased, as there is a bbc en####d and surely all their thoughts and comments must be for local consumption only.
oh sh#t,i forgot
i live in the northen part of e#####d called scotland
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Total Posts: 51 | Joined June 2002 | Posted on: 12:57 am on June 12, 2002 | IP
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ally
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are you feeling okay lorna?
your "argument" goes from; why do the scots keep moning about english commentators?...... then saying england of all places needs a regional bbc agency - even though each english "region" already has one - and even though england as a whole is grossly over represented as well...
....then saying: if you scots don't like - vote for your own independent country.....!!
For you to suggest the people of scotland are going to vote for the SNP and for an independent country because we don't like annoying english football commentators is.... well..... to say you're mad wouldn't be giving it justice really...
lorna, if you're going to present an intelligible argument of any kind - try and do it without sounding like a school-child who doesn't know what she's talking about
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Total Posts: 179 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 1:35 am on June 12, 2002 | IP
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Jacobite
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Lorna has a point and although it may be new to her to most of us its old ground that we go over all the time.
And annoying english commentators are just part of the problems we have of getting our media input from a foreign country,we are not even allowed to receive our own news about what is going on in the world ,but yet again its our own fault why should we have to go cap in hand to london to plead that we should really have our own World Cup coverage ,think about it its pathetic.
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Total Posts: 376 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 7:02 am on June 12, 2002 | IP
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Kernaghan
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Quote: from ally on 1:35 am on June 12, 2002
your "argument" goes from; why do the scots keep moning about english commentators?...... then saying england of all places needs a regional bbc agency - even though each english "region" already has one.
Don't go there. The English 'regions' are monstrosities. Be thankful that your nation is recognised (however patronisingly), because mine ain't. Not everything is as simple as it seems.
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Total Posts: 1092 | Joined Nov. 2001 | Posted on: 10:04 am on June 12, 2002 | IP
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Jonny
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Well said Jacobite. Yet again, an easy solution tae benefit aw exists..... if only we could put our finger on it......
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Total Posts: 546 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 3:32 pm on June 12, 2002 | IP
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LornaMac
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Quote: from ally on 1:35 am on June 12, 2002
are you feeling okay lorna?
your "argument" goes from; why do the scots keep moning about english commentators?...... then saying england of all places needs a regional bbc agency - even though each english "region" already has one - and even though england as a whole is grossly over represented as well...
....then saying: if you scots don't like - vote for your own independent country.....!!
For you to suggest the people of scotland are going to vote for the SNP and for an independent country because we don't like annoying english football commentators is.... well..... to say you're mad wouldn't be giving it justice really...
lorna, if you're going to present an intelligible argument of any kind - try and do it without sounding like a school-child who doesn't know what she's talking about
"your "argument" goes from; why do the scots keep moning about english commentators?...... then saying england of all places needs a regional bbc agency - even though each english "region" already has one - and even though england as a whole is grossly over represented as well... "
- Wrong - I'm saying Scotland has its own independently managed national radio and tv bodies - which choose to ignore the World Cup. England doesn't. It's a fact. Please don't assume regional stations make up for this. Surely I don't have to tell you of all people that national does not equal regional?
"For you to suggest the people of scotland are going to vote for the SNP and for an independent country because we don't like annoying english football commentators is.... well..... to say you're mad wouldn't be giving it justice really... "
- No, I didn't start that - some guy was on about "when we get our own country". I simply pointed out that you can't even be bothered voting for it, so why the misty-eyed, "if only we were free" bollox?
And try not to be quite so patronising in the future - it's such an arrogant trait.
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Total Posts: 15 | Joined June 2002 | Posted on: 7:39 pm on June 12, 2002 | IP
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