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Argentina78
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At present, there are 23 Scotland players in the SFA Hall of Fame. At present, when you play 50 or more times, you get automatic entry. I have compiled a list of 10 players, from the top of my head, who I regard as Scotland Legends, who are not featured. Most of these players are some of our best and well known worldwide and IMO deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.
I wonder if we should have a system where the fans get to vote for an entrant into the Hall each season, as they do in Baseball in the US.Some of the players are from the Sixties, when the team did not play as many Internationals, other were injured and had to retire early, and others decided to quit International football for one reason or another.
Take a look at the list,(I realise there are others, from the last 40yrs and before who I perhaps do not know as well) and let me know what you think of my suggestion. I think when you see the names on the list you will think the majority of them should feature in some way.
John Greig,44 caps
Billy McNeill, 29 Caps
Eric Caldow, 40 caps
Archie Gemmill,43 caps
Jimmy Johnstone,23 caps
Jim Baxter,34 caps
Andy Goram,43caps
Davie Cooper,22 caps
Mo Johnston,38caps
Stuart McCall, 40 caps
Look forward to your opinions!
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Total Posts: 83 | Joined Mar. 2003 | Posted on: 1:57 pm on April 9, 2003 | IP
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davied14
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Got to say I agree with everything you said there. It's pretty shocking that Jim Baxter and Jimmy Johnstone aren't in the Hall of Fame.
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Marky
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Problem is that international caps are far easier to come by these days. In the modern day most of the players you've mentioned would pish their way into the hall of fame.
I'd raise the bar. 75 would see only the true greats get in.
(Edited by Marky at 2:07 pm on April 9, 2003)
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Suave
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The fact that Christian Dailly is nearly there speaks volumes.
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VASCO
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The best example of how daft this is, is that the legendary Terrible Trio of Alfie Conn Snr, Willie Bauld and Jimmy Wardhaugh have a combined total of Scottish caps which is less than that already reached by Scott Severin, who shouldn't be in the Hearts team, never mind the Scotland international side.
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ReekySporran
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Very true VASCO, a paltry 7 caps between them I believe which was criminal and a sign of how bad the SFA politics were in those days (50's) when the team was chosen by committee.
As far as the Hall of Fame is concerned, nobody should get into it based purely on how many caps you achieve, if should be voted on by the supporters eg. 3 entrants every year. If Dailly gets in then that just makes a laughing stock of it, as if Tommy Boyd being there isn't bad enough........
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crabsodyinblue
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Hall of Fame
Kenny Dalglish 102 Celtic and Liverpool 19711986
Jim Leighton 91 Aberdeen, Manchester United and Hibernian 19821998
Alex McLeish 77 Aberdeen 19801993
Paul McStay 76 Celtic 19831997
Tom Boyd 72 Motherwell, Chelsea and Celtic 1990
Willie Miller 65 Aberdeen 19751989
Danny McGrain 62 Celtic 19731982
Richard Gough 61 Dundee United, Tottenham Hotspur and Rangers 19831993
Alistair McCoist 61 Rangers and Kilmarnock 19851998
John Collins 58 Hibernian, Celtic, Monaco and Everton 19881999
Roy Aitken 57 Celtic and St. Mirren 19791991
Gary McAllister 57 Leicester City, Leeds United, Coventry City 19901999
Denis Law 55 Huddersfield Town, Manchester City, Torino and Manchester United 19581974
Maurice Malpas 55 Dundee United 19841992
Billy Bremner 54 Leeds United 19651975
Graeme Souness 54 Middlesbrough, Liverpool, Sampdoria and Rangers 19741986
Alan Rough 53 Partick Thistle and Hibernian 19761986
George Young 53 Rangers 19461957
Joe Jordan 52 Leeds United, Manchester United and Milan AC 19731982
Kevin Gallacher 53 Dundee United , Blackburn and Newcastle
Asa Hartford 50 West Bromwich Albion, Manchester City and Everton 19721982
Gordon Strachan 50 Aberdeen, Manchester United and Leeds United 19801992
Colin Hendry 51 Dundee, Man City, Blackburn, Rangers, Coventry, Bolton 1993 -
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tommyt
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I think having an annual ballot whcih lets one or two extra folk join woudl be a good idea - probably some money in it somehow for the SFA.
Who would we vote for ?
I'd start off with McNeil and Baxter
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Total Posts: 335 | Joined Oct. 2001 | Posted on: 5:10 pm on April 9, 2003 | IP
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Aitchy
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Chic Charnley should be in there...even though he got no caps. They should have a section for the best player never not to have won one.
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KTA
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Nice Tan Aitchy !!
Yi didnae git that in Lithuania!
(Edited by KTA at 8:34 pm on April 9, 2003)
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Total Posts: 331 | Joined Dec. 2001 | Posted on: 8:33 pm on April 9, 2003 | IP
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Ally Boy
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ReekySporran how can you complain about Tom Boyd being in there.He was one of Scotland's most consistent players throughout the 90's.A mainstay of the team who rarely if ever had a bad game.
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Total Posts: 91 | Joined Jan. 2003 | Posted on: 9:39 pm on April 9, 2003 | IP
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Notts Bankie
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Dead right. The Boyd bashing was all the rage in Brown's last years when he was getting past it, but to be remembered - or remember what people used to rant - for his last half a dozen performances isnt on.
He never let us down, and from Sweden 92 onwards till the World Cup in France he was rock solid.
Dailly is clearly an ordinary player in an ordinary Scotland team that is playing as many games a season as we used to in World Cup Finals years. If he gets the 50 caps, good luck to him - just because a dozen or so infinitely better skilled players didnt get in, so what? If you set the bar at 75, you'll miss out on a number of excellent players who did Scotland real service. Keep it as it is.
Let me throw one in here as well - I reckon Dailly is looking more and more solid these last couple of games......or should I stop drinking?
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Hawkeye Ranoo
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Tom Boyd was deffinately yin o' Scotlands better performers.
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ReekySporran
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We'll agree to disagree on Tommy Boyd, as the pundits said of the Roxburgh/Brown era, it was harder to get out the team than it was to get in.
Its fundamentally wrong to be classed as a Scotland "great" just because you got a certain amount of caps. Its criminal that guys like Baxter, McNeill or Johnstone aren't in the Hall of Fame, they had little chance of earning 50 caps in their day. What about the Wembley Wizards? is every one of them not worthy of a place?
Obviously not, still, we have Tommy Boyd & Kevin Gallacher to make up for it. Lets face it, Scott Gemmill might get in on subs appearances alone..........
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Argentina78
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If there was to be an annual vote for players deserving entry, I think the first three entrants would need to be Jim Baxter, Jimmy Johnstone and Archie Gemmill. After this the next two most deserving IMO are Billy McNeill and John Greig, both of whom Captained Scotland on over 20 occasions each!
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Total Posts: 83 | Joined Mar. 2003 | Posted on: 10:40 am on April 10, 2003 | IP
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tommyt
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well actually I dont think all of the wembley wizards should get in. I'm guessing here but I'll bet a few of thm got only a handful of caps - and I bet even one or two played poorly - things like this should be handed out because you played a small part in a great result. Alex James would get in though.
MOre controversially - I'm not convinced of Gemmil's claims (Archie that is) he scored a belter of a goal sure butif he HADNT done that would the rest of his career merit elevation above McNeill, Grieg or Dave Mackay ? Not sure.
The "we didnt play many games" thing is being overplayed a bit, In the 70's we were playing about 8 or 9 games a year (qualifiers home intenrationals and firendlies) which isnt much less than now. Same is true during WC campaigns in the 60's though admittedly didnt play in the EC back then - and there were no subs.
How come Jimmy Johnstone only got 20 games for scotland - many a Celtic minded conspiracy thoerist may have some ammunition with that stat.
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Total Posts: 335 | Joined Oct. 2001 | Posted on: 11:37 am on April 10, 2003 | IP
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wrighty
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This was raised with the SFA a year ago, and they said they would be revuing the criteria due to the number of matches played these days. But the problem is how do you define great. We all agree Slim Jim was a great player but how many matches was he great in? And what did Scotland achieve during his spell. The same with Dalglish/Souness at the time everyone moaned at them for not turning it on for thier country.But at least they helped to qualify for four world cups!
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Giant train set
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My sentiments exactly about Gemmil.
One fantastic goal, but what else.
But all for a vote for some of those players that have missed out for one reason or another. But not yearly. It would wittle down the list far too quickly.
But it has too be said, that any player with the big 50 is worthy of his place in the hall.
Yes, he may have had a few dodgy games. But a few from 50 is no many at all.
We need to remember the good things they done on the park, instead of the berrating when things where no going our way.
Dailly in france 98 was fantastic running the line. Give him the the confidence to do it again. Line or up the middle i don't care.
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Total Posts: 244 | Joined Mar. 2003 | Posted on: 12:08 pm on April 10, 2003 | IP
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randers
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My view is same as GTS'. There's two things here - anyone who turns out 50 times to represent his country deserves a mention.
It's not the player's fault if he's not stunningly good - if selected and he goes out to try to apply his talent...and if he's ordinary that could mean struggling against better players for much of those 50 times and probably gettin' moaned at by press and fans.....then who can argue he hasn't done what he can for his country? I say put up the memorial to him.
Then there's the truly talented player who may not get 50 caps but that doesn't make him any less talented - so he deserves a memorial to his efforts too. So a 'special mention' section just for them would be good.
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Argentina78
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Come on guys, I thought that this was an interesting subject for debate. How about a few more opinions and when I have the results i will contact the SFA again with the "fans views"
Look forward to more input on the subject.
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