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Broony
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Okay, so the Irish are going to help us out. I will back the bid but doesn't it feel like an opportunity missed rather than one gained?
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Total Posts: 192 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 4:17 pm on Feb. 28, 2002 | IP
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Dave
Talks too much |
Aye a solo bid would have been much better but as someone pointed out previously 3/4 of a tournament is better than none at all (assuming we get it of course).
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Total Posts: 129 | Joined Oct. 2001 | Posted on: 4:32 pm on Feb. 28, 2002 | IP
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Bzzzz
One and Only! |
Pish.
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Total Posts: 3275 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 5:59 pm on Feb. 28, 2002 | IP
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BigDaveJ
GET A LIFE!!! |
As Dave says, 3/4 of a bid is better than nothing but I'm with you Broony. Scottish Businesses could have made so much money out of this. Two extra Scottish clubs would have benefitted by getting help for new stadiums plus the surrounding areas would have been helped greatly.
Jack has shot himself in the foot with this one. I've got a gut feeling that the joint bid in going to fail.
SACK JACK!!!!
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Total Posts: 360 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 6:02 pm on Feb. 28, 2002 | IP
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VTA
Opinionated Wind Bag |
I know what you mean - we are still bidding for 3/4 of a great tournament. But with the other 1/4 seems to have gone 75% of the momentum and enthusiasm. It still sounds great but the general feeling is one of emptiness. And I only caught a glimpse of the press conference but when they walked in they looked like they were going to a funeral.
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Total Posts: 208 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 8:05 pm on Feb. 28, 2002 | IP
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Jam
GET A LIFE!!! |
We might be bidding for 3/4 of a tournament but barring a miracle we won't win it. If we were solo we would have bid for the whole thing (make loads more dosh in the process) and barring a miracle we would have won.
That's why it feels sh**e.
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Total Posts: 703 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 8:11 pm on Feb. 28, 2002 | IP
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Will
Fresh ideas |
I think everyone's a bit unexcited at the moment but I think we're in a Catch 22 situation here:
We can:
1. get totally behind the bid with all the TA supporting it- with the help of the Irish fans. The bid might just then succeed and I can't see many people (TA & Scots in general) not supporting the tournament if we do win the bid. But then, who takes the credit? McConnell & his cronies - and probably get elected for another term on the back of it. If we don't get it - who loses out? Not him - he'll pass the blame elsewhere.
2. not support the bid. Without the full support of all the TA, the bid has no chance. Then we're basically back to square one & with no chance of bidding for the next few tournaments.
Either way McConnell can't lose - the only way we (the TA) can get anything out of this is to fully support the bid (the way we would have with a solo bid), ignore the political gain and self-interest involved (and there's no shortage) , and hope that (although still unlikely) we get the chance to invite the rest of Europe to our country in repayment for all the welcomes that we've received all over Europe.
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Total Posts: 48 | Joined Oct. 2001 | Posted on: 9:58 am on Mar. 1, 2002 | IP
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BigDaveJ
GET A LIFE!!! |
Will you're totally correct.
The TA need to back this bid as if it was a solo one.
I like the idea of getting new t-shirts produced as we can get the IRish fans to wear them aswell and promote it over the two countries instead of us doing all the work.
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Total Posts: 360 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 10:44 am on Mar. 1, 2002 | IP
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fringo
GET A LIFE!!! |
I agree .
It's important that everyone backs it and never mind who gets the "credit".
Out of self-interest and for the love of football we should do all we can to get behind it.
Everyone is rightly still pis*ed of with solo bid falling down and I imagine a great number of us are also sceptical about joint bid (once bitten......) but it's surely still worth going for it.
I cannot think of a better country to be co-hosting it with either.
If successful , the a joint tournament with Scots/Irish would still be excellent.
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sonny
GET A LIFE!!! |
The whole problem is that you wont get everyone behind the bid - that is why this is a shambles. This is fantasy! What you gonnie do, sell sew on smiles to people?
The options there of do or die is tripe. You could say no to the bid and go for a solo bid later. This would be an honourable position and the sort of thing a football loving fan might consider the more intelligent option.
For me, I'll back the joint bid but if and when it collapses I want to try for a solo bid next time round and we should all be ready for that.
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Lamia
GET A LIFE!!! |
I still think McConnell wants the bid to fail (and thinks that it will). Then he will be able to say that he genuinely wanted it and it's not his fault.
Yes I am behind a credible joint bid but I think we cannot let McConnell think he has hood-winked us.
I am finding it had to get actively enthusiastic about the joint bid because I am yet to be convinced that it is credible and not a face saving stunt by McConnell. But I know that we really have to support it because if it does turn out that we are really in with a shout if we haven't supported it we could be the difference between success and failure.
It is still going to be hard for me to do though.
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Total Posts: 2421 | Joined Dec. 2001 | Posted on: 1:47 pm on Mar. 2, 2002 | IP
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footsoldier
GET A LIFE!!! |
Today's Scotsman Opinion Column:
Euro 2008 bid mired in a classic Irish fudge
THE hoary old chestnut about asking an Irishman for directions - "Well, I wouldn’t start from here" - came vividly to mind this week. The 11th-hour compromise, late on Wednesday night, between Ireland’s warring coalition parties only just kept afloat the joint bid with Scotland to co-host the Euro 2008 football championships. But as one member of the Football Association of Ireland remarked as the fiasco was unfolding on Wednesday: "The chances of UEFA now giving either of us the chance to host so much as an underage mini-tournament are nil."
The First Minister, Jack McConnell, was putting on a brave face after the Irish announcement. But the fact is that the deal - between the majority coalition member, Fianna Fail, and its Progressive Democrat junior partner - was actually a fudge. It merely postpones any real decision about cash and stadia for the bid until after May’s Irish general election. If the Dublin government falls, the whole bid might go back into the melting pot. Meanwhile, the leading competitors to host the tournament have the field to themselves: joint bids from the Nordic countries and from Austria and Switzerland.
Mr McConnell must be rueing the day he decided on his own little fudge; namely, to have agreed to go in with the Irish in the first place rather than pulling the plug on the whole Euro 2008 project. He makes no great secret of his negative view of the original proposal by his predecessor, the former footballer, Henry McLeish, to prioritise a Scotland-only pitch for the 2008 championships.
Mr McLeish, ever a populist and ever willing to fly by the seat of his political pants, rushed ahead with the 2008 bid without the support of his cabinet colleagues. He dreamed of personal glory and revitalising Scotland’s tourist and sporting infrastructure. Heavy hints were dropped to a sympathetic media that the Scottish executive would find £100 million to pump into the scheme, for new stadia and for the means to get to them.
Somewhere in this dream was a good idea waiting to get out. The Scotsman backed a solo Scottish bid; the boost to national morale and the economy could have been considerable. Scotland’s endemic lack of self-confidence needs to be replaced with national ambition. A successful Euro 2008 bid, even a well put together joint bid, could do positive things for the visitor industry. But the hurdle was always to make the bid cost-effective. The way of Mr McLeish’s subsequent exit from history suggests he was never the man to have delivered a successful bid.
Enter Mr McConnell. At that point, the new First Minister had a choice. To press on with 2008 regardless, but run as a tight financial ship; go for the Irish partnership; or pull the plug , explaining that it was hardly a social priority with Silicon Glen in crisis and NHS waiting lists worse than when devolution was introduced. If he was opposed in private to a bid of any kind, as has been suggested, he would hav
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Total Posts: 331 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 4:02 pm on Mar. 2, 2002 | IP
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BJmor
GET A LIFE!!! |
Get the skis looked out and start practicing yodelling thats my advice.
Joint bid has nae chance. But McConnel knew that from the start. One consolation is that when the bid bites the dust he wont come out of it smelling of roses. Because Mr McConnel and the labour/liberal [dont forget them] executive are full of Sh***.
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Total Posts: 267 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 10:31 pm on Mar. 2, 2002 | IP
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fringo
GET A LIFE!!! |
I'm still all for supporting joint bid rather than giving up , but on another note - if it did go to Austria/Switz then it would give chance for Doh-a deer to come home(LOL)
Can you imagine the Austrian faces hearing XX thousand Socts singing this in their country again ?
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Total Posts: 1162 | Joined Oct. 2001 | Posted on: 1:18 pm on Mar. 3, 2002 | IP
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Ally Macabre
More Than Words |
This Australia/Switzerland joint bid is absolutely rediculous!
How are you supposed to get back and fore between matches?
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Total Posts: 1724 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 9:23 pm on Mar. 3, 2002 | IP
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sonny
GET A LIFE!!! |
Ally,
It's easy - everyone brings a shovel!
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When up they gat, and shook their lugs, Rejoiced they were nae men but dogs; An' each took aff his several way, Resolved to meet some ither day.
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Total Posts: 2462 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 9:45 pm on Mar. 3, 2002 | IP
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Andy Gray
GET A LIFE!!! |
Ireland have been a great help, scapegoats for Scottish???? Labour.
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Total Posts: 1728 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 1:24 am on Mar. 5, 2002 | IP
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TARTAN SCOUSER
GET A LIFE!!! |
I,agree with ye all, it's a major disappointment not tae be goin ahead wi the solo bid, but as has been said before, surely 3/4 of a tournament is better than no tournament at all! And it could have been worse, McConnell could have suggested that we do a joint bid wi the E***ish, everyone else seems tae think we should be supportin them!!
(Edited by TARTAN SCOUSER at 6:18 am on Mar. 5, 2002)
(Edited by TARTAN SCOUSER at 6:20 am on Mar. 5, 2002)
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Total Posts: 405 | Joined Feb. 2002 | Posted on: 7:16 am on Mar. 5, 2002 | IP
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Cement
Fresh ideas |
Just returned from Dublin.
On the taxi from the airport, the taxi driver just laughed when I mentioned the 2008 bid. As I was asking him his viewpoint the radio newscaster read out the statement from the Irish FA about the joint bid announcement and then the newscaster also started taking the piss !
Most people I met agreed it has no chance. There are two many political & religious devisions over there to ever get any agreement on stadiums for a start.
Games a bogey, to be sure.
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