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The Fella
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Quote: from Tartan Sheep on 9:15 am on April 11, 2003
Just out of interest, how does someone go about getting involved in the steering group? There are a lot of posts saying - if you don't like it, get involved - but none that actually say how to get involved.
I'm not detracting from what's been done so far - far from it. The lassies and fellas who have taken control have done a tremendous job....anyone who doubts that should take a look at the photos from the kids home in Vilnius and talk to anyone who was there.
Tartan Sheep, email on its way to you, reagarding the above.
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C Mc
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GG - feck me, that was well said.
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C Mc
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Tam - "Perhaps the bulk of the reluctance from the unofficial steering group is because they are run off their feet at the moment, and think they will be burdened with even more work."
I'd think you'd be surprised. If we'd been registering now, or when we do register, there were/are people more than ready to do the work. Those were the people who were "voting" to register .
(not just ready, but a wee bit excited too - but then i am an **********)
cheers
(Edited by C Mc at 2:34 pm on April 11, 2003)
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bry
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Right Carey, due to your last sentence, I can no longer talk to you!
Sorry to interupt a serious thread.
Re: Official Charity or not - since the SA is not an official charity, but collects money anyway, does anyone know if there are any tax implications on the collected money?
Any ac***ntants out there?
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Fionas the Burd
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As one or the "steering group" members I would just like to back up what has been posted already, well said "GG" and "The Fella!
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Mick North Croy
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PLEASE NOTE
from this point onwards if there is any snipin, bitchin, backbiting, slagging, cussing, namecalling & any other nonsense.
then please direct it to me,
I can handle it 
I get called worse at ma work every day 
 cheers pals
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Lamia
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Well if that sort of thing ever starts I am sure folk will bear that in mind Mick. 
Ya stupid f@nny...
(Edited by Lamia at 8:45 pm on April 11, 2003)
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footsoldier
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I know I'm going to regret getting involved in, but avoiding controversy has never been my strong point
I find myself in the frankly unlikely situation of agreeing with Tam on this one.
First of all, what's gone before has been fantastic, and the motivation for registering as a charity should not be seen as any slur on or questioning of those involved so far.
However, as Tam says, and rightly or wrongly, there are other people myself included who want to help but would only be willing if things were more formalised.
I’m the last one for unnecessary paperwork, or organisation, but in my opinion there are some things that need to not only be above board, but need to be seen to be above board. Raising money for children is unquestionably one of those.
There are always going to be snipers (you don’t have to look back too many pages to find them on here). While the Appeal remains informal, this is going to remain the case, and ammunition is provided. It might be a sad reflection on how cynical people may be, but unfortunately it’s a fact of life, and has to be dealt with.
Now to the hard part. It’s all very well saying that everyone one involved in the appeal is 100% honest. I’m absolutely sure they are. However, at the same time the door is open for anyone to be involved in the running of collections or administration in the future, with at present nothing other than trust gained by being part of the TA (however that is constituted) to vouch for them. There are unfortunately numerous examples of people who would take advantage of such trust, and I am not naďve enough to think that the entire TA has motivations as pure as those currently involved.
OK, abuse is unlikely, but at the same time, you are quite openly throwing the doors open to anyone to join in. In the admittedly unlikely scenario that this were to go wrong then everyone involved with the Appeal, not to mention the rest of the TA will be tainted by association.
My opinion, for what it’s worth is that if you are using the TA name, with which we are all proud then that has some responsibilities which can’t be avoided. Agreed this might mean more work but, as the Welsh guys said, even that is not certain. On the flipside, there are I’m sure more people who would be willing to help out if this step was taken. I include myself, and looks like Tam, in that as an example. So, I’m not asking anyone to do something without offering support to do it.
In addition, to look at it another way, registering as a charity gives an immediate boost to funds of 28% + any corporate schemes. So, simplistically put, to raise the same amount of money as now would involve approximately 75% of current fundraising activity, which would compensate for the (theoretical) extra workload.
Of course, cutting down on work is not the motivation for registering so the best way of looking at it is a free 28% reward for the effort people are about to put in.
The Taxman you can ignore all you like, but he will not ignore you. Bad press is not something they worry about, they only apply the laws not make them. The more the profile and size of the Appeal increases, the higher the chances of an investigation. Inconvenient, but again a fact of life.
There are a number of other benefits to registration. For example, a couple of web companies provide free sites for fundraising for official charities. They take care of everything, including collection of money, and 28% tax back. A personal example is the marathon I’m running in June. Would be happy to do this for Sunshine Appeal, and if it was an official charity then I would do so, and would be able to raise a fair bit of cash. Rightly or wrongly I won’t do it for an unofficial charity no matter how good the cause for some of reasons stated above. It’s fine today, but who knows who will be involved in the running tomorrow or next year, and I wouldn’t take the risk of asking people I know to contribute to something which I don’t feel comfortable with.
Registration doesn’t solve everything but it provides benefits for everyone involved.
Seems to me that if steering group want to maintain status quo, then that’s their choice. If, however, they want to maximise the Appeal’s potential, which I would have thought would be prime consideration, then there is very little argument against taking the next step.
Fella, as you said to Tam, the decision has been made and he can support the appeal as is or not. Well, seeing as opinions are being asked for, my own personal position would be that if you go the registration route then you would have my support and input if you want it. If everything stays as is, then personally I can’t support it. If that’s a position that causes people to be offended then so be it, but hopefully this will be taken as constructive.
Slainte
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geordieboy
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wooooo! An informed and relavent post!
Catch it while it lasts
As the decision has been taken now, maybe after germany this is something that has to be taken up.
I've noticed the sunshine appeal is starting to get alot of press cogverage which is good & bad.
As long as it is doing a good job, not many folk can complain, but i think the issue is dead for a couple of months now.
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Mick North Croy
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Quote: from Lamia on 8:43 pm on April 11, 2003
Well if that sort of thing ever starts I am sure folk will bear that in mind Mick.
Ya stupid f@nny...
(Edited by Lamia at 8:45 pm on April 11, 2003)
Aye, the auld wans are the bet 
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