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Corkie
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Well, supporting Italy could have nearly cost you a few bob after watching the 2nd half today - they were mince 
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Total Posts: 261 | Joined Mar. 2002 | Posted on: 2:41 pm on June 13, 2002 | IP
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furry
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CUFC you might say we are part of the union and in reality we are, but I certainly don't classify myself as british and I'm sure others on this board feel the same. I have in no way any hatred towards the english (english media aside) my wife is english, but the problem I have is england expect us to support them when they go on about world beaters and their arrogance, bobby roboson last night said they would win it, and are shocked/suprised when we do not. Maybe this is because the majority of english people are quite happy to be in the union because the union is run from england, but I certainly am not happy to be part of the union because it is the union that has caused us so much problems in the past and will continue to cause problems in the future.
p.s I suppose you are right in that sometimes we do take it a bit too far regarding supporting your opponents but hey it is only a game after all,
p.p.s sorry if I was ab it political and on a rant but I have had few swally's
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Total Posts: 33 | Joined Mar. 2002 | Posted on: 3:08 pm on June 13, 2002 | IP
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PudFaeFife
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So it is OK to want Germany and Argentina to get beat as it is the British mentality. Britain voluntarily joined the European Union. Scotland did not volunteer its union ro form the UK so I would probably dismiss that as a reason.
Like you say CUFC I have nothing against England or the majority of the English but I, like many Scots like to see them get beaten.
My point was that the Scots get derided for that as if it is some inferiority complex whereas when England fans want Germany or Argentina to get beaten it is OK.
Why is it "pathetic" for Scots fans and OK for others.
All over the world fans of one country will wish their oldest or bitterest rivals to get beaten but it seems that the Scots get more stick for it than any other country I know of.
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Corkie
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You telll him furry, I'm now glad that I filled you up wi booze at lunchtime 
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Total Posts: 261 | Joined Mar. 2002 | Posted on: 3:35 pm on June 13, 2002 | IP
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Kernaghan
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England's main rivals are Germany and Argentina, maybe Poland because we have played against them in so many qualifiers, maybe France and Italy and Brazil but not so much these days.
I don't desperately want any of them to lose every match they play. Or even want it at all. To be honest I like certain countrie's awesome footballing traditions and I like to see them win to maintain their superpower status.
Though not against us of course.
I usually look out for Germany at major tournaments. If there is one foreign team I like to see doing well it is them.
And on the rare occasion when we do beat a great rival (Holland '96, France '97, Argentina '02), I always want that team to embark on a long, unbroken run of victories to prove what a great team we have beaten.
Just some thoughts. I speak only for myself but I've clocked a few 'all English people want Argentina and Germany to lose' references here which don't ring true to me.
And I have to say, watching this world cup in your fair country in the company of your (maybe not quite so fair) countrymen as I have been doing, that a lot of them have been supporting England. Three of them looked quite gutted after the Sweden match, one of them went absolutely mental when Beckham scored. Virtually all come from Edinburgh, make of that what you will. I don't especially want scots to support us, mind, but I thought I would report it.
Aah... nothing quite like a good waffle at tea-time.
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mr shangalang
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methinks..time to bring out the stocks for your 'scots' chums kernie...(must've be great for you to play district commissioner with some willing natives!)
if they'd have behaved like that at the iron horse last week...
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Total Posts: 482 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 5:16 pm on June 13, 2002 | IP
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Slinky
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Roadrunner had W Coyote
Tweetie Pie had Sylvester
Jerry had Tom
Penelope Pitstop had **** Dastardly
Every "underdog" needs a bit of rivalry to make things more interesting.
England don't have anyone in particular, because they feel as if they are a the top of the tree and having rivals only brings them down a branch or too.
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Total Posts: 166 | Joined Feb. 2002 | Posted on: 5:17 pm on June 13, 2002 | IP
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Kernaghan
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Slinky forgot to add:
"and they're all convinced they're going to win the world cup"
and
"the knuckle-draggers will smash the place up if (WHEN) they don't.
Memory like a sieve, pal. 
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Bzzzz
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We'll have to wait and see Kernie... when e*****d get knocked out then...
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Ruary
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Not really wanting to join in on this one but thought I'd add a wee fact that seems to have been overlooked on this thread.
England have had 13 fans arrested during the tournament with 9 of them still in jail, are they still so lillywhite??????????
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Total Posts: 1420 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 6:44 pm on June 13, 2002 | IP
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ecky
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CUFC said " It is just pretty frustrating to see our fans behaving impeccably in a tournament and STILL not get any credit for it - what more do they have to do ? "
Why should they get credit for something which is expected and should be the norm. Every other nations supporters behave impeccably, do you think they should be given credit too ?
Credit is given for behaviour which is out of the ordinary eg, friendly, going out of your way to make friends, ambassadorial if you like. As the Tartan Army have received on many many occassions.
"What more do they have to do ?" - continue with the acceptable behaviour and hope that for all other international tourneys the authorites take the same hard line by banning the "knuckledraggers".
The bad memories and images will fade eventually.
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Maurice Mann
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Ruary - The figure I read was 12 English nationals arrested, 11 of whom were picked up on counterfeiting charges - currency and tickets. That doesn't make them England fans, just English counterfeiters. The 12th man was arrested for getting in a fight with a Japanese man whose hat he'd stolen (as a joke, presumably). That makes one man arrested for a violent offence out of 10,000 supporters. Now, I'd rather that figure was zero, but I still think it's pretty good.
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weekevie
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Let's be serious though, England should need to get credit for having good fans, mostly ALL the teams in the world cup have great fans who are their for a great experience to cheer on their country and meet up with opposite fans and have a great time,
I don't see myself as british in anytime, and i'f i had the choice between being seen as european or british i'd say i'm european, of course i always say i'am scottish and see scotland as a country.
It's not just Scotland that follows the opposite team, the welsh have a possibly stronger passion for seeing England lose even yes even more than us at times, and the irish too.
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Total Posts: 280 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 10:06 pm on June 13, 2002 | IP
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Ally Macabre
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And lets not forget the 1000 odd who were banned from travelling...
It might just have a wee bit of influence on the good behaviour aspect!
Having said that - i hope that the real fans in japan, (regardless of which team they support), enjoy themselves, (regardless of results), and make friends of all the nationalities they come across out there. Maybe the TA aren't there, but the TA spirit could be...
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Total Posts: 1502 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 10:15 pm on June 13, 2002 | IP
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Rossy
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Just finished watching a re-runs of that 'Hooligans' programme which is now being shown on Dutch TV.
You know the episode, the one where these brain dead **** rip up Brussels, and exhibit their xenophobic arrogance in all its glory.
It's also the episode where English hooligans state that they can't wait for the World Cup in Germany in 2006. Presumably because it's not at the other side of the world and every tit-head in England can reach it easily to impart their songs about the second world war, get drunk, and wreck the place.
To Kernie, CUFC, and the BBC, who are now bowing to England fans as if they are some kind of saints...I wouldn't get smug in anyway. This world cup will make NO difference at all to the way England fans behave, and unfortunately this will be proven as soon as games move back to closer home.
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Total Posts: 378 | Joined Nov. 2001 | Posted on: 10:22 pm on June 13, 2002 | IP
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Kernaghan
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I'm not getting smug or bowing down. Just enjoying the peace and quiet. Of course it'll be different (i.e. worse) when the show moves back to Europe but we all know that. This has got to help though - it'll diminish that resigned acceptance of hooliganism just a bit and open peoples' eyes to how fun a tournament can be when everyone's just out for a good time rather than reliving wars they know nothing about.
I HOPE.
My solution: a) confiscate the passport of anyone involved in football violence and b) reintroduce national service. a) may sound harsh but it'd work, b) has been necessary for a long time.
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Shneckie Nick
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(Edited by Shneckie Nick at 2:17 am on June 14, 2002)
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PudFaeFife
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This thread is almost dying now which is OK but can I would like to make a final point.
I started the thread mainly to make te point that the English have a probalem with TA or Scots fans in general supporting their opponents when, having spoken to other, no other country seem to get wound up about it.
I resent the English having a go at us for wanting them to get beaten, after all that is what rivalries are about.
However (I am new here) it also annoys me slightly that we seem to keep giving England a hard tiem for their "hooligan" problem. Not all trouble makers are hooligans. Hooligans organise fights and travel with that in mind. Getting into a fight over a hat is not a hooligan element.
There is a different culture with the English and I wouldn't risk sitting in a pub with a Denmark strip on this Saturday when doubtlessly I will happily (and hopefully without trouble) share a pub with many England fans in Edinburgh. That is a stark difference.
So my point is that most of these threads which start off making valid points against the English Team/Supporter/Media etc resort to us slagging off their minority of trouble makers. It is a problem they have along with Holland Germany etc but can we not be big enough not to resort to dragging it up again and again.
Come On Demark
Ramble over.
Away to find a means to get to Lithuania.
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CUFC England
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Quote: from ecky on 6:49 pm on June 13, 2002
CUFC said " It is just pretty frustrating to see our fans behaving impeccably in a tournament and STILL not get any credit for it - what more do they have to do ? "
Why should they get credit for something which is expected and should be the norm. Every other nations supporters behave impeccably, do you think they should be given credit too ?
Credit is given for behaviour which is out of the ordinary eg, friendly, going out of your way to make friends, ambassadorial if you like. As the Tartan Army have received on many many occassions.
"What more do they have to do ?" - continue with the acceptable behaviour and hope that for all other international tourneys the authorites take the same hard line by banning the "knuckledraggers".
The bad memories and images will fade eventually.
Fine ecky - you're right, I don't think we should be praised to high heavens simply for acting in a normal manner (although the Japanese authorities have been lavish in their praise so far).
Conversely, though, we should not have to put up with 'knuckledragger' remarks or sly insinuations that we are only behaving well because we haven't lost yet. Or that we are bound to smash up the place sooner or later.
Fair enough?
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Total Posts: 612 | Joined Feb. 2002 | Posted on: 11:32 am on June 14, 2002 | IP
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Lost It
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I have no problems with english fans being congratulated for behaving. I think they call it positive reaffirmation.
Personally I want to live in a world where you can be unmolested when I follow football and can concentrate in enjoying the spectacle.
However I think there is a long way to go but anything positive should be constructively responded to.
If anything it makes us even more magnanimous and shows that we have a better spirit.
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