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billharris
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agreeing to play israel when their government is killing innocent folk daily doesn't seem acceptable to me
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Total Posts: 2 | Joined July 2002 | Posted on: 9:44 am on July 24, 2002 | IP
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MacChaluim
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Who could we play if we brought politics into sport? No country is squeaky clean. Except maybe Andorra and we'd have a chance of gubbin' them.
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Total Posts: 21 | Joined June 2002 | Posted on: 10:15 am on July 24, 2002 | IP
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blackearnside
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I think there is a big difference between "squeaky clean" and what is happening with Ireal - Palestine.
Somewhere somebody has to make a stand. I have two points about playing them one the obvious moral one and two the security aspect.
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Alba mo gradhach dachaigh duthaich
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Total Posts: 531 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 10:27 am on July 24, 2002 | IP
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themongoose
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Have to agree Blackearnside, a lot of our opponents over the years couldn't be described as 'squeky clean' but in this instance I think the SFA should take a stance and cancel the match for both reasons you have mentioned.
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Unhook the West Port and let him gae free
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Total Posts: 212 | Joined Mar. 2002 | Posted on: 10:33 am on July 24, 2002 | IP
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min
Opinionated Wind Bag |
This was always a strange choice for a friendly fixture, but under the current circumstances, there is no way this game should be allowed to proceed.
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Total Posts: 180 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 10:59 am on July 24, 2002 | IP
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Wee Rab
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Completely agree there's no way we should be playing a friendly with Israel, that there has hardly been any complaint about this here is very disappointing (first time I’ve seen it mentioned). It's also hard to imagine that there would be such a silence from the presss/media if we were to set up fixtures against any other similarly brutal occupiers. Regarding the security aspect, not all Scots are as easily brainwashed by the pro-Israel propaganda that is inflicted on us in this country and there's no doubt there will be protests if this game goes ahead.
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Total Posts: 70 | Joined Mar. 2002 | Posted on: 11:23 am on July 24, 2002 | IP
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perthTam
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I personnaly agree we should not being playing Israel with the current situation. I won't be there.
If the SFA cancel the game they could be accused of hypocrisy after playing against Northern Ireland during all their troubles for the last few decades.
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"God help England if she had no Scots to think for her."
George Bernard Shaw (a neutral Irishman)
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Total Posts: 296 | Joined Feb. 2002 | Posted on: 12:06 pm on July 24, 2002 | IP
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Alan
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When we play them we should spare a thought for the young Israeli players who will no doubt have to go on national service risking their lives while their families are being blown up in cafes and shopping centres.
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"Don't just stand there.....get it up the park!"
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Total Posts: 269 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 12:19 pm on July 24, 2002 | IP
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RowZ
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Much as I hate to see what's going on in Israel/Palestine I don't see any reason that we shouldn't play football against them. It's a game of fitba, nae a political statement!
I'd forgotten we had an U21 team anyway!! It's been a while!
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Total Posts: 80 | Joined Mar. 2002 | Posted on: 12:36 pm on July 24, 2002 | IP
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Bzzzz
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Hmm, difficult issue, I personally think the Israelis have taken it too far recently... but I don't think playing a game of football with them insinuates that we support their murder of innocent Palestinian children... its a game, thats all.
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Quia quamdiu Centum ex nobis viui remanserint, nuncquam Anglorum dominio aliquatenus volumus subiugari.
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Total Posts: 3360 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 12:48 pm on July 24, 2002 | IP
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Swanners
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You cannot simply say that the game must not go ahead due to what has been going on in Israel for many years. The conflict there has raged for years and as said above if you are going to do that then, no team should ever play the Irish.
People are always saying that there is no place in football for politics and religion, yet there are people saying we should not play them for that exact reason. I am in no way condeming all the innocent deaths, but do you hear nations saying they should not play Scotland after all of the innocent deaths in Afganistan.
Let the game take place and if it brings more experience and takes our young team forward then it is worth while.
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'and on the seventh day god created the Scots.'
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Total Posts: 154 | Joined April 2002 | Posted on: 12:56 pm on July 24, 2002 | IP
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Crozzer the Bing
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RowZ, Bzzzz & Swanners have it spot on it is a football match, pure and simple. It doesn't mean the people of Scotland are showing political backing for one side in the current crisis. After all and you cannae blame those lads for what is going on.
It would be a sad day if politics started to interfere with oor game...
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'... and it brings us back to doh, oh, oh, oh...' '...the future is bright, the future is tartan...'
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Total Posts: 244 | Joined May 2002 | Posted on: 1:18 pm on July 24, 2002 | IP
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ReekySporran
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fitba and politics (or even religion) don't mix.
Play the game!
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Total Posts: 756 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 1:25 pm on July 24, 2002 | IP
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sonny
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Politics and sport do mix - just ask the South Africans.
No way should we legitimise genocide! We should be declaring war on them not playing them at fitbaw.
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When up they gat, and shook their lugs, Rejoiced they were nae men but dogs; An' each took aff his several way, Resolved to meet some ither day.
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Total Posts: 2555 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 1:47 pm on July 24, 2002 | IP
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Bzzzz
One and Only! |
I hope that was a joke.
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Quia quamdiu Centum ex nobis viui remanserint, nuncquam Anglorum dominio aliquatenus volumus subiugari.
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Total Posts: 3360 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 1:54 pm on July 24, 2002 | IP
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Jam
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Mibbe we shidnae play the USA in the potential upcoming friendly. They fund Israel the dosh.
Just a thought :sowhat?:
.....mibbe A shid just gae awa and 'play' wi masel.
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Yer haverin pash!
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Total Posts: 738 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 1:57 pm on July 24, 2002 | IP
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sonny
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Well, they are more of a threat to world peace than Iraq and we're about to invade them. If Europe stood up to Israel the Yanks would have to back off.
So much hypocricy going on now. However backing and support is not the same as deliberate and systematic genocide.
Gameplan: Israel buys a nuclear sub from Germany (in a few months) sits in the sea and aims nuclear warheads at Egypt, Syria and Jordan. Next, they expel the entire population of the West Bank and Gaza (several millions) using heavy artillery. To avoid the truth getting out, round up all the international jounalists in a hotel so they can't see what is going on. This will all be done under the cover of The US invasion of Iraq. No Arab country can do a thing because of the subs.
That is what is about to happen. Now, to me we should be using UN resolutions to go in and disarm the Israelis and try Sharon for genocide and war crimes.
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When up they gat, and shook their lugs, Rejoiced they were nae men but dogs; An' each took aff his several way, Resolved to meet some ither day.
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Total Posts: 2555 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 2:17 pm on July 24, 2002 | IP
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Kernaghan
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Israel is practically invulnerable already. No Arab country can do anything now because of Israel's nukes. 'Europe' seems to be doing its best to stand up to Israel, but it's not a powerful delegation of foreign ministers doing it, it's Javier Solana, an EC suit who represents... who exactly? And so long as the most powerful European nation will never dare criticise Israel what can Europe ever hope to achieve? Time for the UK TM to stop standing shoulder to shoulder with Sherriff Bush and stop being a pathetic lapdog. Ethical foreign policy did someone say? Yeah right...
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Total Posts: 1302 | Joined Nov. 2001 | Posted on: 2:30 pm on July 24, 2002 | IP
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Bzzzz
One and Only! |
Maybe Iraq was just a warm up for Israel?
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Quia quamdiu Centum ex nobis viui remanserint, nuncquam Anglorum dominio aliquatenus volumus subiugari.
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Total Posts: 3360 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 2:42 pm on July 24, 2002 | IP
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Swanners
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Just had a thought, all this could lead to all out war with England. Please try and follow the logic, Israel find out that the Tartan Army is about to invade. They deploy all troops and get onto Pres Bush in the good old U S of A. He in turn calls that little turd burgler Blair, who instantly sends a massive force into Scotland to defeat the Home Guard of the TA. Just a thought but it could happen.
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'and on the seventh day god created the Scots.'
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Total Posts: 154 | Joined April 2002 | Posted on: 3:14 pm on July 24, 2002 | IP
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