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FFS!!!! - I think what he means HR is that the TAMB only makes up a microcosm of the TA, and that the vast vast majority of TA either don't know of the TAMB, give it a wide berth, or simply couldn't be bothered with it. Therefore it is NOT the TA. End of.
Can we get back to slagging non-SNP right wing unionist dogs now :-)
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exactly LGS.
Treacherous north-Brit non-Scot quislings etc...... 
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footsoldier
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Quote: from len ganley stance on 12:53 pm on Aug. 2, 2003
FFS!!!! - I think what he means HR is that the TAMB only makes up a microcosm of the TA, and that the vast vast majority of TA either don't know of the TAMB, give it a wide berth, or simply couldn't be bothered with it. Therefore it is NOT the TA. End of.
Call me Mr Picky, but if the TAMB is a microcosm of the TA, then Hawkeye would be justified in assuming that the actions of the TAMBerines is representative of the TA. (Think that the word comes from Astrophysics as well Thermo - so Hawkeye has been bang on the money from the start?) 
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len ganley stance
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Dear Mr Picky,
No he bloody wouldn't! Call me Mr Pedantic, but astrophysics, and quantum physics for that matter, operate on the assumption of a relatively consistent universe - therefore a microcosm can be assumed to represent a small part of a larger (and similar) whole.
The TA by it's very nature contains a huge variety of souls, and it strikes me that the TAMB is representative merely of a few different types of those souls.
I'm new to this board, but it strikes me that it is certainly not representative of the vast majority of TA I know.
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Dear mr Pedantic
Quote: from len ganley stance on 12:53 pm on Aug. 2, 2003
FFS!!!! - I think what he means HR is that the TAMB only makes up a microcosm of the TA,
Quote: from len ganley stance on 3:48 pm on Aug. 2, 2003
Dear Mr Picky,
therefore a microcosm can be assumed to represent a small part of a larger (and similar) whole.
small part yes, but also representative - bit like an opinion survey. So, if the TAMB represents only a few types of those TA souls, it is not a microcosm, as you originally implied.
Also, think you'll find that quantum physics doesn't deal with consistencies, more probabilities. In fact, one of the difficulties that prevent the final acceptance of standard theories based on constants (such as Theory of Relativity) is that they fall down at the quantum level. To give you an example, quantum physics seems to suggest that atoms only follow the most probable route, not the only possible ones. So, if you run at a wall enough times, sooner or later you will go straight through as they take an alternative construction. Try it and see.
Of course, if you have managed to find consistency between quantum physics and the theory of relativity, then there are a couple of super string theorists you should talk to.
then, stopping briefly to pick uo your nobel prize, come back and explain why people keep having this argument about the TAMB/TA disconnect
Yours, Mr Picky
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len ganley stance
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Being a mere amateur with an interest in cosmology, quantum mechanics and astronomy I'll bow to your obviously vastly superior knowledge on such matters.
However, I think you'll find on eof the main the reasons so many folk keep having this discourse re the TAMB/TA is (as Sniper was I think originally trying to point out) that a lot of folk on it seem to blur the distinction between this board and the TA - ie: they constantly refer to this board AS the TA.
I still don't accept that the TAMB is in any way representative of the TA as a whole (microcosm or not). The vast majority of footsoldiers I know wouldn't post on here if their lives depended upon it - largely because they feel they have feck all in common with those who do. That's not necessarily my opinion by the way, merely my experience.
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Jonny
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The TAMB is not the TA.
90% of the TA dinnae bother with the TAMB.
Also, 90% of the TA don't have comedy discussions about sub-atomic behaviour either, pulling an otherwise labourious thread into the realms of jocularity. Well done 
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jimbers
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I love being a TAMBER!
jonny only 50posts till ya hit 1K!!
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Well I'm going to be king of picky...
Doesn't matter whether or not the "TAMB" is actually representative of the "TA". It is still merely a subset.
ergo The "TAMB" is not the "TA".
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len ganley stance
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Which is all I was trying to say in the first place Ally!
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shona macspurtle
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I learnt standard deviation from first principles. Can take part in this discussion? Or is it only open to physics whallas?? 
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Phil MaGlass
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half past three.
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Mick North Croy
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Whatever happened to "yir aw erses"
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footsoldier
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The simplest way to put it all in context is that the postings on the TAMB, and the TA list, and the various personal/club websites comprise the online resources of the tartan army, probably best measured using the Shannon entropy. The TAMB would seem to be the biggest constituent of this entropy.
However, Tambers themselves constitute only a small percentage of the thermodynamic entropy of matchday TA as a whole, which is a more appropriate way of measuring contribution at that time.
However, if the event horizon of the TAMB "black hole" continued to grow past the critical point of xPlanck Areas (with x unknown and a planck area equal to 10 to power-66sq cm), then the entire TA would be dragged in. Which is frankly unlikely.
Other than that, I agree with Mick
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Phil MaGlass
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OH 5hit the twilight zone.
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Captain Slog Stardate blahdeblah - Supplemental
Not having any of my old physics jotters to hand I will revert to speaking in laymans terms. There are certain sections of the "entropy" which do not experience any gravitational pull towards the "biggest constituent", so I agree that the black hole scenario is indeed extremely unlikely. In fact the opposite may actually be true!
To be honest I think you're barking up the wrong tree, and instead of examining black hole theory you should probably be looking at big bangs.
My guess is that when the TAMB reaches critical mass instead of imploding and dragging everything with it, it will explode, sending shattered fragments to the farthest reaches of the TA universe...
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footsoldier
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I really think you're mixing up inter-entropical behavioural relationships with gravity, which is caused by the warping of the space time continuum which in extreme cases causes black holes 
As far as I can see, the two actually battle against each other as a star reaches the end of its life. Desire to implode caused by gravity, desire to "explode" (release stellar matter) as increased entropy occurs.
Apparently, most common outcome is creation of white dwarves that hang around for years.
Which could very well explain the recent outbreak of trolling
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ScottishMagpie
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I used to know what you are talking about, at least I recognise all the words, but I'd need to dig out the old Quantum Physics notes.
I don't get much chance to apply Heisenberg's uncertainty principle when writing Accounting Software - at least I don't think I do (sad physics joke).
Of course, to strecth thermo's analogy, you could say that for some TAMBerines, the TAMB is itself the result of a big bang, in that there is no knowledge of, or indeed acceptance of any existence, prior to the big bang.
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