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steelpeach
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After much deliberation, I have realised that this could cause a bit 2 much trouble so have withdrawn it.
(Edited by steelpeach at 1:54 am on July 19, 2003)
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Hawkeye Ranoo
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(Edited by Hawkeye Ranoo at 3:00 am on July 19, 2003)
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Why do I always get the wee leg when the family has a haggis for tea
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steelpeach
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(Edited by steelpeach at 11:57 am on July 19, 2003)
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MCTEAGLE
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Quote: from Hawkeye Ranoo on 1:48 am on July 19, 2003
[quote]I was a mocker once myself
A mocker, whats that? someone who wears leathers and rides a Vespa.
(Just kidding HR - steelpeach thought better of it and deleted his post, as you quoted him, you should do him a favour and delete yours)
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18 years difference - still the record.http://www.mcteagle.co.uk
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erchie69
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we are the mockers we are the mockers we are we we are the mockers !
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Hawkeye Ranoo
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(Edited by Hawkeye Ranoo at 3:01 am on July 19, 2003)
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MCTEAGLE
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Nothing to do with disrespect etc. I just meant that Steelpeach had posted then thought nah, that's OTT and deleted his initial post. However, you had already quoted it so it still appeared.
Just trying to be mediator that's all.....
If you want to argue about it, please yourselves. Most people on here know my thoughts on it.
(PS Extension still not done) 
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Hawkeye Ranoo
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(Edited by Hawkeye Ranoo at 3:02 am on July 19, 2003)
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steelpeach
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(Edited by steelpeach at 11:56 am on July 19, 2003)
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Hawkeye Ranoo
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Forgiveness and love is a big part of my faith, But as I have often said, I try my best, but some times my best isn't good enough, don,t judge the Bible on my behaviour, And yes I wind up CUFC & Kernie. But remember cut me and I bleed, I am still human, not a programed robot.
(Edited by Hawkeye Ranoo at 3:02 am on July 19, 2003)
(Edited by Hawkeye Ranoo at 3:08 am on July 19, 2003)
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steelpeach
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I didn't personally attack you, I just think most christians profess to 'beleive' (however good their intentions) through of fear because the text isn't convincing or tangible.
Religion, in my view, exploits exactly that, Man's fear of the unknown.
It is, to me, the perfect racket.
Sticking a dying man on a cross in front of a childs face while telling him that he'll burn in the fires of hell if he doesn't worship him is one sure way of guaranteeing a god-fearing subject. The trauma ensures little resistence and no questioning, at least for a few years.
My antipathy and total contempt for the church stems from my trips to Rome, I saw the Vatican and was amazed at how they can keep thousands of priceless works of art in there and still claim to represent Jesus with a straight face.
The Vatican is a huge, rich and luxurious city (nation!!) that houses one old man, while outside the LOCKED gates at night, homeless and hungry people sleep under the bridges of rome.
The bible is indeed full of amazing contradictions and I honestly ask myself how a rational person can't see through it as it is the most inconsistent and unliveable piece of literature in print.
One would think that a Christian would bide by it anyway, though I have never once seen a man do so.
If he did, I'd have seen at least one person sell all they have and spend the rest of his days walking the streets in humble attire spreading the word (as requested in the bible).
Muslims, however much I dislike their faith, are at least more consistent with their faith.
The flip- side I suppose is that it comforts people in times of grief, and this is something good.
All added up though, given the wars and divisions it has caused throughout history, keeping people in the dark seems a very high price to pay.
Anyway, if you're right and I'm wrong then good luck to you.
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Lamia
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"The bible is indeed full of amazing contradictions and I honestly ask myself how a rational person can't see through it as it is the most inconsistent and unliveable piece of literature in print. "
steelpeach,
Thats pretty much how i feel about US foreign policy.....
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To avoid criticism do nothing, say nothing, be nothing. -- Elbert Hubbard
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steelpeach
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Stick to the bloody subject!!
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schnooo
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re: Mockers.
If you mock someone for being a Catholic or a Proddy you are accused (quite rightly) of sectarianism.
If you mock someone for being Muslim, Seikh or Hindu, you are also (quite rightly) accused or religious discrimination.
So does it make it right to mock a Christian for what he believes?
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steelpeach
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Why would posing questions be considered mocking?
I have had many a healthy debate on the subject without any accusations of mocking.
My question (simplified) is how a man can subscribe to something which offers no proof or consistency andhas done little for mankind other than cause wars and persecutions?
If the answer is 'that's my business' then so be it.
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schnooo
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Sorry steelpeach, it wasnae aimed at you...just at another reply further up the thread...which may have been tongue in cheek, in which case, sorree!
I just know of people who have been subject to that kinda intolerance before, which largely seems to be tolerated by society! But that's just my opinion...
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guitarman
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I'm probably going to regret this.
I have always wondered what sounds more credible...
A bunch of guys decide to draw up a moral code to control the masses by writing essentially a story which was, I think, over 2 generations old.
or...
There is a higher purpose. It will not all be over when we die. We are so special that if we're good then we'll live on in a wonderful place for eternity.
Cynical, I know.
I do respect people who follow a faith, whatever it may be, especially if they're in the 2% in the UK who actually attend chuch regularly. I'd rather judge people on what they actually do, whatever their beliefs. I have to say, though, that any irrational person can justify their actions through the bible due to all the contradictions. Does it worry anyone else that George Dubya is a very religious man and look at what he's doing?... Certainly seems to be more of an eye for an eye rather than though shalt not kill.
I don't follow any faith myself. I have never been baptised as my parents do not attend church and they thought that they'd let me make up my own mind. I attended Sunday School as a child, despite the fact it clashed with Glen Michael's Cavalcade and have come to the conclusion that I do not believe in God. I do, however, fear him. Or her.
I don't mean to offend anyone but seeing as most people on this board come across as adults we should be able to discuss this without having to censor it.
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schnooo
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Although - the 'has done little for mankind than cause wars and persecutions' bit...
I agree, countless wars have started on so-called 'religious' grounds...although I believe that they have been fought out under a 'banner' of religion, as opposed to the very essence of religion leading to war. For instance, you'll generally find that the likes of the Bible and the Kuran teach people to 'Love thy Neighbour' etc...so that these people who have fought wars on religious grounds could actually have been accused of going against their religions.
Christians and Muslims etc. are, at the end of the day, human and flawed, and have a natural propensity (wooh, word of the day!) to go against what the likes of these books teach.
But the essense of these books are all about, without wanting to sound really cheesy, peace and love. These are the fundamentals of every religion, but, unfortunately, IMHO, people will distort these kinda things into other things, like intolerance and hatred - we all know though that this is hardly the case for every follower of a religion.
In my opinion, religion and faith and all that is a very personal thing, that can bring many positives to an individual.
We all know how much following Scotland means to us all, but because some 'followers' of other teams have a reputation based on what is essentially hatred, are we supposed to agree with some neutral observers when they accuse us of all wanting to be hooligans?
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steelpeach
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I feel compelled to add this:
As a child I fell out of a small boat into a lake while fishing for tadpoles with an oil can and 'drowned'.
Long story short I was 'brought back'
with the kiss of life but had in fact 'passed' for a short time.
For a number of years I had what I thought was a dream:
I was about a foot away from my body, watching myself. lifeless, looking around, panicking... I was terrified that sharks would come and eat my body (I was 6 years old)...I remember vividly how I was dressed:
Green jumper and horrible rainbow coloured trousers, limbs lifeless, turning around in the water.
Years later, when I was about 14, my aunt Doss and my Mom spoke about that day for the first time since it happened:
Doss: 'My god, I remember how you (my Mom) were when you got back'
Me: 'Mom, were you there? (didn't remember her being there)'
Mom: Of course I was, I was the one running around screaming, I wasn't much help'
Me: Do you remember how I was dressed?
Suffice it to say that I had in fact been wearing the horrible rainbow coloured trousers my aunt Doss had bought me and a green Rupert the bear jumper.
Point:
Those who know me know that nobody has a worse memory, I would be pushed to remember what I was wearing yesterday, also cos I don't (and never did) give a toss about clothes.
It was no dream. I think deep down I knew that, it had never felt like a dream either.
It was a memory of when I was outside my body worried about sharks, though strangely unafraid by the fact that I was 'out'.
Conclusion:
I have no doubt whatsoever that when we 'die' we do go somewhere.
We leave the body though i don't know where we go, there was no tunnel or lights.
Important thing is apart from the shark worry I felt peaceful and strangely 'protected'.
I've looked at all the explanations for out-of-body experience and noine of them fit.
I am thankful for the experience in that I have never feared death as a result of it.
I just don't believe anybody really knows where we go, or that we are even meant to ever know, not until it happens anyway.
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schnooo
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Just one WEEEE thing (B4 i leave this post forever!)
For every George W there's a Martin Luther King or Desmond Tutu!
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