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Ravenous Rob
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Not sure what to make of this, a very bad thing or a not so bad thing given that we're seeing progress in the big team ?
Youth cash cut by SFA
David Hardie
THE SFA are slashing the money handed out for youth development to help fund Scotland boss Berti Vogts’ massive programme of friendly international matches, it was claimed today.
The German coach has embarked upon a frenzy of friendly games in his efforts to put together a side capable of qualifying for next summer’s European Championships in Portugal and the World Cup finals in his homeland two years later.
Since Vogts took over as national boss just 16 months ago Scotland have played an astonishing 14 friendly internationals - as many as his predecessor Craig Brown played in the final four years of his reign.
That figure will rise again in August as Scotland travel to Oslo, adding Norway to a list of destinations which has included France, South Korea, Hong Kong and Portugal while the likes of Nigeria, Denmark, Canada, the Republic of Ireland, Austria and New Zealand have all visited these shores.
But at the same time clubs have been told the money they receive from the SFA by way of "youth development grants" will be cut in the coming year.
Jim Sinclair, director of football development, has written to them revealing that the SFA’s executive committee has decided "a minimum of £500,000" will be provided as the global sum for such grants in 2003.
His letter adds: "It was decided that payment will be made either in December 2003 or January 2004 and that awards for 2003, based on the minimum figure, would approximate to two-thirds of that which had been paid in 2002."
But today a leading figure in Scottish football, who asked not to be named, claimed the cut was to fund Vogts’ friendly programme as was a decision at the SFA’s annual meeting to increase the levy taken by the Hampden authorities from the semi-finals and final of the Tennent’s Scottish Cup from six to ten per cent.
He said: "It is obvious to everyone that playing more games involves more expense particularly if you are travelling to play them.
"It also costs money to bring other countries to play us in Scotland and you can’t imagine, for example, that a crowd of 10,000 at Tynecastle for last month’s game against New Zealand would produce a break-even figure.
"You also have to remember that in addition to the ‘A’ squad, Vogts has set up a ‘Future Team’ which has to be funded while the under-21 side are playing a lot more matches under Rainer Bonhof than they did in the past.
"The SFA need more money to fund these match programmes and it has to come from somewhere."
Youth development grants are given to clubs on a sliding scale with the Premierleague outfits receiving most, but our source insisted the effect of the cuts would be most felt further down.
He said: "The sums involved may seem small to some, but they are quite significant, particularly for smaller clubs,
"For argument’s sake, £10,000 may not seem a lot to some clubs but for the likes of Whitehill Welfare that represents quite a large amount of money."
It is also suspected the increase in the SFA’s take from the cup semi-finals and final played at Hampden will also go to fund Vogts’ extensive friendly programme with our source reckoning it will see between £80,000 and £100,000 taken from the four clubs which contest those ties.
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Jam
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where's the steadies fae the Scot Exec for the development of the game which were to be used if we didnae get Euro 2008?
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ReekySporran
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Jam, just what I was thinking.
The SFA are caught between two stools on this one and will be criticised whatever they do. Perhaps people who moan that they have to eg. pay £12 to watch NZ at Tynie and stay away, will now see the long term consequences. You can't have it both ways.
As far as the SPL are concerned, shouldn't they be generating their own cash for their youth programmes and not rely on the SFA?
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Bzzzz
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Ditto...
that's exactly what I thought...
cannae believe we are lettin this happen.
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wrighty
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ok but if the sfa are strugglin....................then is it possible for us to sponsor individual youngsters, say at u16 or u17 level.
At club level players are sponsored by individuals or companies, can we use some TAMB Sunshine money to sponsor one or two youngsters, through there clubs?....or through the sfa?
or am i stirring up a hornets nest?
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geo1903
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I've been a youth coach at my local boys club for over ten years. We now have four age groups three of which play in local leagues (some matches can be 30/40 miles away). The younger boys (and girls) play seven-a-side and our Under 15's play eleven a side in the Aberdeen Juvenile League. For the U15's we have to pay ref's (appointed by the League), usually about £18 per match.
Over the years we have bought new balls each season, the usual items like bibs, markers, etc. Most strips have to be scrounged from sponsors and last maybe 2/3 seasons (our old ones were donated to the Sunshine Appeal and taken to Lithuania).
Over the last few years we have had players playing at a Juvenile Cup Final at Hampden, a couple ex players playing at Finals for their schools at Hampden, a girl who has represented Scotland in Ireland, a couple of players playing in the Highland League and an ex-player is now on the books of SPL Dunfermline U18's.
We have never received a penny from the SFA.
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wrighty
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Quote: from geo1903 on 3:24 pm on June 29, 2003
I've been a youth coach at my local boys club for over ten years. We now have four age groups three of which play in local leagues (some matches can be 30/40 miles away). The younger boys (and girls) play seven-a-side and our Under 15's play eleven a side in the Aberdeen Juvenile League. For the U15's we have to pay ref's (appointed by the League), usually about £18 per match.
Over the years we have bought new balls each season, the usual items like bibs, markers, etc. Most strips have to be scrounged from sponsors and last maybe 2/3 seasons (our old ones were donated to the Sunshine Appeal and taken to Lithuania).
Over the last few years we have had players playing at a Juvenile Cup Final at Hampden, a couple ex players playing at Finals for their schools at Hampden, a girl who has represented Scotland in Ireland, a couple of players playing in the Highland League and an ex-player is now on the books of SPL Dunfermline U18's.
We have never received a penny from the SFA.
ANDY MITCHELL TAKE NOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS WHAT REALLY MAKES US ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ReekySporran
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Quote: from geo1903 on 3:24 pm on June 29, 2003
I've been a youth coach at my local boys club for over ten years. We now have four age groups three of which play in local leagues (some matches can be 30/40 miles away). The younger boys (and girls) play seven-a-side and our Under 15's play eleven a side in the Aberdeen Juvenile League. For the U15's we have to pay ref's (appointed by the League), usually about £18 per match.
Over the years we have bought new balls each season, the usual items like bibs, markers, etc. Most strips have to be scrounged from sponsors and last maybe 2/3 seasons (our old ones were donated to the Sunshine Appeal and taken to Lithuania).
Over the last few years we have had players playing at a Juvenile Cup Final at Hampden, a couple ex players playing at Finals for their schools at Hampden, a girl who has represented Scotland in Ireland, a couple of players playing in the Highland League and an ex-player is now on the books of SPL Dunfermline U18's.
We have never received a penny from the SFA.
Its a shocking state of affairs that the likes of Rangers, Hearts, Aberdeen, Hibs etc receive money from the SFA for youth development whilst independent youth set-ups receive f*ck all, and we wonder where all the talented football players have gone?
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geo1903
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I must stress that there's hundred's of folks like me, just doing it so the kids get a regular game. I, personally have done the SFA Coaches that are required (now compulsary but I did mine 8/9 years ago) which you have to pay for. I'm also a qualified first aider. The reward is the feedback, improvements and respect from the kids. People who are involved will know what I'm talking about.
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Total Posts: 142 | Joined Feb. 2002 | Posted on: 9:21 pm on June 29, 2003 | IP
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randers
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I think the SFA are in a cr@p position here. There are hundreds (probably thousands) of clubs like GEO1903's - and if you include the Scottish youngsters playing in England too then the number of worthy causes goes up still further - and it would be impossible for the SFA to support all of them in even a small way. (I've been involcved too GEO and know that there's no money other than what the club/players can generate themselves...and what you yourself shell out for).
I also think I agree that the SPL should be funding the youth set-ups which are attached to the SPL members, though I suspect the reason the SFA is still involved mght be because of the problem when relegation & promotion come along (imagine hard-up club X being encouraged to create a small youth academy under SPL help then they get relegated - the academy becomes a millstone for them so all the poor youths just get suddenly dropped).
We never got any financial help for my boys' clubs either.....but contrast that with some other sports, e.g. squash where the local council gave personal grants each year because they were off representing the local County all over the place. However it is different in that there are an awful lot more good young footballers so a single body wouldn't have been able to contribute a realistic amount.
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Thermopylae
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All the clubs should pay a turnover based tax into a central youth fund, to be administrated by the SFA and organised through the clubs. The youth players should be apprenticed out to their local clubs, but remain registered to the scheme.
When they make the grade they could then be bought from the Scheme by the highest bidder, generating more money for future investment.
ie. Every youth player is "owned" by the SFA until they're good enough.
Also, similar to the student loan scheme, any player going on to earn billions of quids should have to pay something back into the scheme for their "education".
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oldgreybeard
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Please please please stop all this 'Andy Mitchell take note' stuff. HE IS NOT ONE OF THE DECISION MAKERS AT THE SFA. He just reads the board as do other staff at the SFA. The only reason he replies is that he is the mouthpiece of the organisation. If you feel strongly about anything then e-mail the SFA or phone or write. Don't rely on one small guy to change things. He can't. Please have some common sense.
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The Bairn
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Having Scotlands 3rd youth academy did not help Falkirk, and it is in the grounds of BP(another chance missed by the SFA/SPL to perhaps involve a 'RICH' multi national) but small mindedness means that we have it all on our own, or should that read FFC and the secret 7.
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wrighty
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oldgreybeard...............the only reason I mention him (and this is been said before by others) He reads this board and has the opperchancity to pass on thoughts ideas and grievances through the chain at the SFA.
I complained to a steward at the bad organisation of crowd control once, my pal said its no his fault. But the point is, he tells his boss he's getting stick his boss tells his boss, and something then gets done. Thats the way its meant to work anyway. The sfa must get thousands of emails moaning about things.
Dont get personal with your posts, just because you have a different view.
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Total Posts: 1979 | Joined Jan. 2000 | Posted on: 10:41 am on July 3, 2003 | IP
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oldgreybeard
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Yes, Andy Mitchell does read the TAMB and replies when some of the contributors seem misinformed. But thoughts, ideas and grievances should go through the proper channels - not the Press Officer. He is a spokesperson. He is not involved in Committee meetings with any of the decision makers. If you send an e-mail to info@scottishfa.co.uk it will go to the correct person. If you know any names (ie David.Taylor@scottishfa.co.uk) then so much the better. We have a better chance in getting things changed if we go to the top. I wasn't getting personal. Apologies if that's the way I came across. I meant it in general. I just get a wee bit fed up with all the references to Andy Mitchell. He is only 1 employee in a big organisation and he DOESN'T get to change things.
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wrighty
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I always thought that AM would sit on meetings to be fully briefed in all sfa activities? He's not just announcer but would have to answer questions at press conferences too, does he not? Or does he have to say ...eh sorry I'll have to go and ask my boss on that one.
Which of course means he has to pass information up, if he feels he's going to be slaughtered on a certain subject, he needs to know wants being done so he can give a positive response.
Just thought thats the way the press office works, apologies if am wrong.
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Total Posts: 1979 | Joined Jan. 2000 | Posted on: 11:17 am on July 3, 2003 | IP
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oldgreybeard
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I know people at the SFA and have been told that Andy Mitchell doesn't sit in on committtee meetings. He is briefed on issues that are relevant by Senior Staff afterwards. Then the website is updated and/or a press release goes out via e-mail. The Press Office deals with media enquiries from journalists and broadcasters. Public/TA enquiries go to the Travel Club or the relevant department.
Andy himself has said on this board that the TAMB "is a poor substitute for direct communication" and that we should phone or e-mail the SFA if we want things to happen. I think we should as I honestly think it would do more good than expecting one wee guy to change things.
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Total Posts: 32 | Joined May 2003 | Posted on: 11:58 am on July 3, 2003 | IP
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wrighty
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point taken and I stand corrected.
So how can we get the sfa to change policy and redirect the funding right down to the 'proper' grass roots clubs, like the one mentioned above? because thats where the money is needed.
How much does it cost to run a club like that over a year?
Running hiring mini-buses, hiring pitches, strips ect. How much would the sfa need to give to help with a small club. How many clubs are their? Is the game properly set up on a regional basis at that level so that finances can be monitored and regulated, or is it still all a bit wishy washy? Or should we just forget these clubs and just concentrate on the 'feeders' to the bigger ones? Thats the way it seems to be at the minute?
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Total Posts: 1979 | Joined Jan. 2000 | Posted on: 12:12 pm on July 3, 2003 | IP
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oldgreybeard
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What do the Scottish Youth FA, Scottish Schools' FA, Scottish Welfare FA , Scottish Junior FA, contribute? I doubt if the English FA finance every small football club down South.
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wrighty
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It would be interesting to know just how the whole thing is structured. mibbe there's too many organisations involved?
But if the suits at the top cant structure their themselves properly, through amalgamating the governing bodies, what hope for the rest????
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