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Olaf Thom
First Team

United Kingdom
123 Posts Posted - 16/05/2002 :  16:29:26      
I don't follow international football, except when we play England or get to the World or Euro Finals.
I don't blame Craig Broon or Berti Vogts for the recent poor displays, I blame the Tartan Army, Yes! THE TARTAN ARMY, these numpties sing when we're losing and never ever get angry with the team or management.
These people are not REAL football fans, real fans get really pissed off in defeat, boo the team, want the mangers head on plate, come on to forums like these and have a rant, then maybe calm down in a couple of days.
What do the Tartan army do? they cheer and party, no matter the result. Is it any wonder the players don't give a chit if we win or lose. The Tartan army certainly don't.

The Tartan army say they're ambassadors for the counrty, what rubbish! The Tartan clobber, Kilts and Jimmy Hats are an embarrassment. The National anthem is a dirge that is never sung properly.
It's no surpise the traditional support in the West of Scotland is declining, The team and fans do not represent the Scotland that most of us know.

Get rid of the so called Tartan army and all the tartan crap and just have Scotland supporters who back the team but show their disapointment when the team lets us down. If this means that the Finlays and Alisdairs are replaced by the Wullies and Rabs then so much the better.

http://www.scottishfootballonline.co.uk/first/ forum...........if you wish to reply

(Edited by JimFaeKdy at 6:08 pm on May 16, 2002)

Don`t Eat Yellow Snow

Total Posts: 678 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 6:07 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP

One and Only!
He's never been to a Scotland game then?

Quia quamdiu Centum ex nobis viui remanserint, nuncquam Anglorum dominio aliquatenus volumus subiugari.

Total Posts: 2751 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 6:09 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP

Something to say
According to this guy a real fan is someone who comes out of the woodwork every four years and watches the game from the comfort of his armchair.

Total Posts: 68 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 6:13 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP
C Mc

"Finlays and Alisdairs "??????????

Are you Traynor in disguise?

C Mc

Total Posts: 314 | Joined Dec. 2001 | Posted on: 6:15 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP

people who have never been to a Scotland game can still have an opinion.....aparently

Note: All opinions expressed above are that of the author and in no way respresent any club, organisation or disorganisation

Total Posts: 506 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 6:20 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP
Shneckie Nick

Hey, when it comes to national teams,  some of us don't have a choice. I'm Scottish, I ain't gonna support Brazil.

Maybe fans of Fiji should get a bit more pi55ed off.
Geez, some people....


Total Posts: 312 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 6:34 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP

Opinionated Wind Bag

Team were hardly cheered off the pitch??????????

McAllister.......might still be playing but for the nasty TA ( me not included)

Bell's afore ye go............

Total Posts: 171 | Joined Feb. 2002 | Posted on: 6:37 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP

If I had to be that depressed everytime we lost I'd have slashed my wrists long ago! Who is this tube, anyway??

'Never trust a man who, when left alone in a room with a tea cosy, doesn't try it on.'
Billy Connolly.

Total Posts: 308 | Joined Feb. 2002 | Posted on: 6:47 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP

He's right about the Jimmy hats, though.

Total Posts: 372 | Joined Nov. 2001 | Posted on: 7:07 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP

Something to say
how d'ye think i feel rossy, folk keep asking me if my bunnett has come away from the hairpiece!!!

Total Posts: 71 | Joined Feb. 2002 | Posted on: 7:12 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP

Best Supporters in the World.......................


Tommy's Tantric Tartan Army

Total Posts: 670 | Joined Mar. 2002 | Posted on: 7:28 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP

Opinionated Wind Bag
Pit a bunnet oan then dunfyginger and mibbe
ye`ll get peace......  

Rid herr`s rerr (my maw sez)

oooo sha lala

Total Posts: 160 | Joined May 2002 | Posted on: 8:16 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP

what a tit! Of course we care about the results! but as TS said if we took it as serious as him we would have slashed our wrists long ago! WE arent delusional (like some countries fans i know) we dont believe we are the best team in the world, so we cant expect to win every bloody game! what a numpty!


Total Posts: 1941 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 9:11 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP

Opinionated Wind Bag
this guy finds it easy to judge us but probably has never been to a scotland game home or abroad i am certainly nevery happy when we get gubbed especially when i have spent a lot of money travelling that is why when leaving the stadium i pick myself up have a wee swally and try and enjoy myself what does this guy want for us to behave like our neighbour and smash up toons (i do agree with jimmyhats comment they are a embarresment)


Total Posts: 173 | Joined Nov. 2001 | Posted on: 10:32 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP
Thing on a Spring

Talks too much
From what I witnessed in Aberdeen, it looked like you all had the best time and that's what attracted me to following Scotland.
Don't anyone laugh at me but I still have to go to a game and my first will be the Denmark game. To me it's all about the party and meeting loads of people.

Dianne you are very right I agree with you 100%.

Nice 'n' Easy does it

Total Posts: 116 | Joined April 2002 | Posted on: 10:56 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP

the tartan army is a great ambasseder to scotland's cause and could possibly be the best chance of us hosting the euro championships. why would uefa choose us? our stadiums well 4 are pretty good but the other 2? our football team, well we aren't world beaters at the moment? it's our fans and the repuation we have that the great tartan amry has brought us. i think a big deceider in the chances of euro 08 will go down fans, and i think we must get uefa's vote for that after the awards we've won past few years for behaviour.

Yes it's dissapointing, and yes people do get upset and dissenhearted by the perfomances  but what is the point in going out all nutz after a game like today, yes we were beaten and by a far better side than us at the moment, so why not talk it over and think to the future enjoy a laugh with the other fans.. and consider it done...

Yes it's football and football is my fave sport and i'd love to see scotland back on the wolrd stage, but after all it is only game too.

Total Posts: 271 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 11:00 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP

Opinionated Wind Bag
maqueen - yer right - hey that five minutes leaving the ground after a shocker is sooooooooo low - but the next ten hours or more - total class.

Jimmy hats on Spaniards and Germans are kewl and on the TA - why not.  Who the f*** can self deprecate like us???

The TA rep is only as good as the last game.  No room for complacency.   The carnival is King.  Care??? Of course we care!!! Why else would we be there?!  TA jealousy - surely not.

Total Posts: 194 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 11:13 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP
Andy Cowe fae Corby

Talks too much
Ok chaps, clearly if making a prick of yourself becomes a sport we've got a dead certain world champion in that guy, but.....

....a Manchester City fan of my acquantance tells me a tale of something which, on good auhtority, he says was discussed at one of the clubs board meetings.  I'm not quoting verabtum here, but apparently it was openly agreed that, as City fell into one of their familiar falls from grace, a financial outlay which may have reversed the situation was not necessary, purely on the grounds that City fans would keep turning up no matter what.  Indeed they did, in fact, the club getting gates of over 30,000 in the English 2nd division.

In other words, it is/was totally taken for granted that they would keep turning up, and therefore there was no need to rock the boat and do anything radical.  If this thread hadn't beaten me to it I was going to put one out questioning whether all this "laugh it off" self-depracation really helps, although obviously I would't have gone in for all the insulting nonsense like that clown.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking TA loyalty & good humour, after all I practise it myself, but I do feel seriously taken for granted at times, and wonder what it will take for the complacent blazers at the SFA to grab the bull by the horns and actually DO something about sorting the game out from top to bottom in order to give us the team we deserve.  Is that what it is going to take before something gets done, a decision by the fans en masse to turn their backs and walk away?  Believe me I felt like throwing it all in today, living in England and thus getting E-mails just saying '4-1'.  I was really really upset today and sometimes you can't just laugh it off.  It hurts.

Loyalty is admirable, and I would never tell anyone not to go and support Scotland, but you do wonder sometimes whether it's in our best interests to be the way we are.

(Edited by Andy Cowe fae Corby at 11:46 pm on May 16, 2002)

The rose of all the world is not for me, I want for my part,
Only the little White Rose of Scotland, That smells sae sweet, and braks the heart. - Hugh McDiarmid (1892-1978)

Total Posts: 120 | Joined Feb. 2002 | Posted on: 11:44 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP

Andy I take on board your point about feeling low especially after today's debacle and with you living in England it must be particularly hard to take.
My own point is that I would not for one minute suggest that anyone turn their back on Scotland. It is at times like this when we are rebuilding thanks to Berti's new vision which I hope will start to bear fruit for us sometime in the near future that we need to keep the faith in Scotland. The team needs our backing and we need to make ourselves heard which has been mentioned on another thread (re atmosphere at Hampden). I think most people would agree that watching Scotland is more about the taking part rather than the winning, I dont think anyone thought for one minute in France 98 that we had a scooby of dooing anything in the competition but it was fantastic to be at the party. It is just unfortunate that Scotland has lost it's way in football terms over the last few years that we now have much less to celebrate than in previous years. I have been at many games where the performance of the players has been to say the least diabolical, this has annoyed me immensely as they are backed by the best supporters in the world and if only they could show the same commitment as the TA then we would be half way to having not a bad national side again. Sometimes it also irks me that there seems to be a complete lack of respect or recognition for the fans in terms of the effort that we put in to support our team. France was a terrible example when the players trudged off the park without even so much as an aknowledgement that 5000 of us had made the trip to support them, in contrast to this at the recent ladies game in Livingston the whole team and the manager came over to the TA who had voiciferously backed them throughout this game and the previous one, to thank us for our support. This was noted by everyone who attended and it made us feel that in some small way we had been able to do our part in their success and the thank you was very well recieved by all and also very much appreciated.
As for the way that people deal with defeat that is up to them if they want to sing and dance after a defeat then so be it. I normally dont bother with that after a defeat and head for the nearest pub where after a few bevvies the sadness goes and the fun begins again. This is not because I have no feelings about losing but rather the fact that I have gone to a game and if we have lost it is not the end of the world, as I am in the company of great people who are also there to enjoy themselves and enjoy being with like minded people who can put defeat behind them and carry on having fun.
I would not change one thing about the TA and that includes the Jimmy wigs, why not wear one as it is basically showing everyone else that we are capable of laughing at ourselves which I firmly believe is a very healthy quality of any nation. If we start saying ban the wigs etc.. do we not then become the same as the journos who constantly have a go at the TA for being drunken idiots with beer bellies and looking ridiculous in their attire. The next stage down that route will be that we have a dress code and then we lose our uniqueness. I have seen on previous threads people moaning about loch ness hats or jimmy wigs saying they make us look ridiculous, I ask them and anyone else with similar opinions what gives anyone the right to tell anyone watching Scotland what they can and can't wear (club tops ecepted)? Let us also pose the question why did so many Real and Bayer fans buy the Jimmy wigs... in my opinion it was because they saw them as being fun and also that by wearing them they were in effect aknowledging the fact that they were in Scotland for the game and wearing a recognisable Scottish item to reflect this. Lets not get too hung up on what we wear lets just keep our sense of fun, lets keep backing the team and most important of all let us hope that some day soon our seemingly blind faith in Scotland will be repaid by the team who has the honour to don our jersey.

TAMB Sunshine Appeal show the true face of the Tartan Army
The future is bright the future is Scottish

Total Posts: 1392 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 12:20 am on May 17, 2002 | IP


I'd give u a sweetie, a drink and kiss for those comments.

spot on..

i think you'd maybe take up 2 out of 3 of my offers. hahah but dunno if you'd take on all 3

Total Posts: 271 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 12:28 am on May 17, 2002 | IP

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