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john b lyons
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Amidst all the doom and gloom one good thing came out of the game.............a Scottish CENTRE FORWARD finally scored a goal away from home. When was the last time that happened ? 
(Edited by john b lyons at 7:40 pm on May 16, 2002)
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Total Posts: 101 | Joined Mar. 2002 | Posted on: 7:39 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP
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simonmk
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....and he's no' even a Scot!!
ach well, a goals a goal!
i must admit, i am getting a wee bit fed up, being an exile, all i hear is the piss bein ripped oot o' us all the time, we better get a result in hong kong, as i cannae take much mair!
anybody else feel the same....exiles????
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Total Posts: 78 | Joined Mar. 2002 | Posted on: 7:44 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP
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scunnydee
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there's 2 TA in Sittingbourne
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Total Posts: 20 | Joined April 2002 | Posted on: 7:52 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP
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tommydoc
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We kept giving the ball to the Koreans in a friendly spirit,but the sneaky wee Asian cheats didnae give it back tae us when they had.It just wasn't fair.
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Total Posts: 88 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 8:38 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP
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WillfaeSwindon
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In all honesty i dont think much should be read into the result. We were playing against a fairly good team in their own back yard, who will be used to the heat and humidity. THe players will have been jet lagged... general rule of thumb is "the number of hours of time difference is the number of days u need to get over jet lag"... they got there three days ago! Also with such an inexperienced team u cant expect everyone to automatically gel into a well oiled machine (lol that sounds daft but u know what i mean) AS far as im concerned we can lose every friendly we ever paly as long as come the qualifiers we get the results we need to qualify. I think that come the Denmark game in august we will see Berties first choice side (maybe minus Hutch) and if we bomb then, that is when we should worry! Christ we were missing at least 5 first choice players!
The eternal optimist!
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Total Posts: 1863 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 9:02 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP
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TartanTeddy
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Can someone explain why international managers insist on playing players out of position. If this was really to see how good players were why was Mo Ross at left back?? Magic on the left also - not that that would make a huge difference!
I suppose we have the regulars to return (though do not that previous posts now consider McNaughton and Crainey as regulars 
I also reckon that as a foreign coach he has to see everyone even though we know that their rank - no names
Bring on the Faroes !!!!!!!
TT
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Total Posts: 166 | Joined Mar. 2002 | Posted on: 9:05 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP
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footsoldier
Opinionated Wind Bag |
If Bertie had stuck with same team and ground out results we'd all be moaning.
There is absolutely nothing to lose, and the reason he's in the Far East is to avoid the glare of media who moan about old guys and then moan about the new ones.
Let's see who walks out for Faroes/Iceland games and judge on those performances. From where we started, Bertie was never going to do a quick fix, he didn't want any difficult qualifying fixtures this year.
If we can beat Faroes and scrape a point in Iceland we'll all be happy and Bertie's long game will have time to pay off.
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Total Posts: 202 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 9:27 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP
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Ross
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At least Craigie would have got us a nil nil draw 
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C'mon Ye Scots!
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Total Posts: 291 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 10:01 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP
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giblet
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I cannot believe that even after being humped, I have been defending the result to collegues and friends.
The Bertie bug seems to have taken over my mind. I am starting to feel some sort of affinity to my brothers in wool of the North and their love for Ebbey.
As one who has stated for years that we should use the Euro campaigns as practice for the World Cup Campaigns, we are finally having this put into practice. Just imagine how good it's gonna get 3-4 years from now.
Williams is a player and did Kyle not look the biggest bruising hulk to grace a Scotland shirt since Jordan?
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"A huge Scotsman has been stood completely still, holding a football and a constant supply of two bottles of beer, staring into the square for , according to witnesses, two hours."
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Total Posts: 141 | Joined Feb. 2002 | Posted on: 10:08 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP
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sandyb
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Congrats to the new world champions - South Korea
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ding a ding a ding there goes wullie on the wing
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Total Posts: 14 | Joined Mar. 2002 | Posted on: 10:16 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP
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forfar loon
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did not read 2,3 pages taken too long to get in so i"ll post what i think,one korea have had 4 yrs to get a team together bertie has had 2 months never the same team may i add! two bertie new what he was taken on,a team that had to be put together from scratch,all young raw laddies! three,we have played 3 teams going to the world cup all with good quality players.give the team a chance,i remember when france were struggling,man utd were struggling,italy have been struggling,germany,spain the list goes on.alba gu brath!!
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Total Posts: 96 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 10:28 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP
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ReekySporran
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The performance was totally rubbish, but lets face it, this was basically a Scottish B team, and at the end of the day I'm glad to see a lot of the youngsters/uncapped players getting a chance, god knows we've been harping on about it for long enough.
Berti cannot make us into a winning team overnight and I for one am happy to use Euro 2004 as a team building campaign ready for Germany 2006 qualifying. All those doom and gloom merchants saying we'll become another Wales or N.Ireland, get a grip!
The only thing that really worried me was that we had two centre-halfs and a goalkeeper that may possibly be our mainstays in those positions for a while to come, and they were RUBBISH! far too slow and were caught out all the time, and Sullivan was daydreaming for the second.
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Total Posts: 503 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 10:59 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP
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weekevie
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I'm not trying to defend the result in anyway at all, we were beaten by a far better full strenghten decent south korean side.. but if you watch the goals over again maybe the 1st one was stoppable, but the other 3 were very fine goals. a bit like france's against us in paris.. maybe sully could've goten the 2nd one but anywas were were beaten by a better side.
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Total Posts: 270 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 11:03 pm on May 16, 2002 | IP
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siber
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aye, it's fine to say that the goals were all good goals and well taken etc, but the Koreans also had several excellent chances that they made complete hashes of.
My main gripe, like MacDuffer says, was that the "backbone" of the team, the alleged experienced players, the ones who are supposed to be helping the yopungsters come to terms with international football and its demands were posted missing. Weir and Dailly looked as if they had never met before, never mind have any kind of defensive presence or understanding.
Caldwell got caught out dwelling on the ball and seemed unable to make a pass to one of his own team mates. It is simply not good enough to be able to tackle (not that there was too much of that going on either) at this level, even defenders have to be able to pass and control the ball. There is a time when hammering the damn thing into row Z is the correct course of action, but not all the time.
I accept we don't have a God given right to win all our games - but how is it that other nations seem to be able to develop youngsters who can control the ball?
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Total Posts: 126 | Joined April 2002 | Posted on: 12:06 am on May 17, 2002 | IP
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Big Doug
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I find it difficult to believe some of the guff I have just read.
Having just got back from Busan I would first congratulate S.Korea team for the education and Fans for the welcome.
WE WERE AWFUL
I have been with Scotland defeated in Prague, Brussells.Genoa,Turin,Paris more than once and that is the first time I have been ashamed of a performance there was no fight, passion, effort nada.
I Berti has any sense he will be on the phone to Kuwait asking if his job is still open.
Plans for Hong Kong have already been cancelled and thankfully Lithuania and Germany not confirmed.
The TA Christmas card will be swiftly despatched to the back o'the fire.
Try elling guy who have spent thousands that these games a meaningless, any players with tenious Scottish grannies will now be polishing-up the poss accents incase the phone rings
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Total Posts: 49 | Joined April 2002 | Posted on: 2:30 am on May 17, 2002 | IP
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C Mc
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Gemmil and Johnstone in centre midfield?
Have we ever had a poorer pair?
Gemmil is just a poor man's dave Bowman, and I think we've seen the last him, as with Freedman etc.
I think we've enugh players to come back in to ensure that the "engine" is never as weak again. Agree about the centre halfs though.
And yes Big Doug, sympathies to those who travelled, but it WAS a friendly, and surely you weren't travelling just for the football. The Far East should be an experiance of a lifetime.
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Total Posts: 313 | Joined Dec. 2001 | Posted on: 8:41 am on May 17, 2002 | IP
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Phil MaGlass
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Hold on we were a team flung together with about 10 caps to our name if you dont count Dailley,this team has never played together before hardly any experience it was lambs to the slaughter the Korean team have been playing together for months if not about a year our youngsters are still learning their trade at international level if they are not given the chance how the hell are we going to get anywhere in the future I am all for throwing the younger players on it will be good experience ,remember under Broonie we were all screaming for new blood,Bertie is only weeding out the players who cant hack it give him time,Rome was not built in a day.
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Total Posts: 698 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 8:41 am on May 17, 2002 | IP
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Corkie
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Phil MaGlass,
If you think that, apart from Dailly, this team only had 10 caps between them then I suggest you go back to school.
Weir has over 30 caps and Sullivan has about 30. Gemmill has somehow pulled the wool over various managers eyes and got over 20 caps.
The 4 people mentioned were the so called experienced players who did nothing to help the new guys coming in and it is them who should shoulder the blame for that fiasco.
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Total Posts: 261 | Joined Mar. 2002 | Posted on: 9:00 am on May 17, 2002 | IP
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furry
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I agree Corkie, These guys should have been mentoring the new blood instead they looked like they wanted to be on the beach rather than on a football field. The next game at least sullivan won't be playing as I think he has a holiday booked with his family, looked like that was what he was thinking aboot.
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Total Posts: 33 | Joined Mar. 2002 | Posted on: 9:10 am on May 17, 2002 | IP
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Ross
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Was it just me who was embarrased when one of the goals went in only to be told it was scored by a player in the Japanese 2nd division? Yes it was a fairly new team but you can't blame that on their inability to tackle or run or show any commitment. It was the most gutless Scotland display I've ever seen. South Korea may be a decent side but 4-1? C'mon surely none of you no matter how inexperienced the team can defend that result and performance? I fear England may show them for what they are when they play them.
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C'mon Ye Scots!
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