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I did hear that UEFA will favour a single nation submission.
That for me puts Hungary in the frame, as Russia will not be ready for it this time.
The supporters of Europe will definately want the Scotland/Ireland 2008 finals though.
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Total Posts: 6 | Joined May 2002 | Posted on: 3:36 pm on June 28, 2002 | IP
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alan breck
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Funnily enough some of the German lads here mentioned the same thing. That they were only gonny go wi a 1 nation bid, therefore Hungary or Russia. The Hungarians I'm no too sure about there stadia, and I thought the same aboot the Ruskies. However young Vladimir has apparently backed the bid sayin' they'll be ready - although efter the riotin' when they got kicked oot in Japan/Korea I think this will be a no go! Therefore, still looks like it's between us and the doonhill mob and as giblet said - they've already been KB'd twice. Hopefully no third time lucky as I dinny fancy the Grasshoppers stadium, never mind the prices, although Franz Klammers countries reasonable....
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Total Posts: 412 | Joined Feb. 2002 | Posted on: 3:54 pm on June 28, 2002 | IP
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sonny
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Who wins on points? 0 for share of points, 1 for small advantage, 2 for big advantage.
1) Football heritage in Scotland (not in Ireland) and success of Ireland at world cup versus extremly well resourced sports facilities in the Alpines.
---No clear winner = 0
2) proximity to the authorities, the Austro-Swiss bid boast the home of Uefa. Indeed their campaign motto is "Close to you".
--- 1 point to Austria/Swiss
3) Currency isn't a winner cause both campaigns have 2 currencies.
--- share of points = 0
4) Logistics are a problem and the public transport is far better there and no sea to cross either.
--- 2 points to Aus/Swiss.
5)None of their stadia will be in the same city. This is slightly affected by our having good stadia already in place
---1 point Aus/Swiss
6) One issue brought up at the champions' league final was insufficient high grade accomodation and I believe Dublin suffer the same problem. Scotland and Ireland are just much poorer countries.
--- 2 points Aus/Swiss
7) The late change of mind, political complications, financial instability all go against us.
--- 2 points Aus/Swiss
8) The fans are a great bonus for our bid.
--- 2 points Scot/Ireland
Score: Aus/Swiss = 8 points Scot/Ireland = 2 points
Better get the harps and the bagpipes out cause we ain't that close.
My opinion-
Aus/Swiss 60%
Scot/Ire 20%
Scand 10%
Rest 10%
(Edited by sonny at 4:31 pm on June 28, 2002)
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Total Posts: 2443 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 4:30 pm on June 28, 2002 | IP
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tommyt
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Sonny, with all possible respect, I doubt very much if you are in any way qualifed to talk of
a) the relative infrastructure of AUt/Swi vc Sco/Ire
b) The number of A grade hotel rooms in Dub/Gla/Edi vs Vienna/Zurich/Geneva/Berne
c) the logisitical ease of crossing the Irish Sea vs that of crossing the alps
Your other points I'll broadly give you however I'll take a point back by saying that we have one committed vote and they dont.
If your in a position to marshall a few facts on hotel capacity, frequency of transport and general physical infrastructure then bring it on & I'll take you on - if not then stop carping.
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WillfaeSwindon
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"I did hear that UEFA will favour a single nation submission.
That for me puts Hungary in the frame, as Russia will not be ready for it this time."
I heard that Uefa were "Very pleased that so many countries submitted joint bids after the success of euro2000"
Its all very well having a solo bid, but not if it has no hope. Hungary and Russia do not have the money, infrastructure, stadia for it. Russia for one is (in my opinion) far to big to travel accross even if you keep all the games on the west side of the country imagine playing one game in moscow and one in Vladikavkaz!?!?!?!? thats like going from Helsinki to athens!!!!!!!!
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Total Posts: 2232 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 8:11 am on July 1, 2002 | IP
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sonny
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We were asked for our honest opinion and I gave it. How come if someone says something which is 'off-message' it's "carping?" To be taken seriously some frankness is required, you can't expect fowks to rally under a steady flow of sugery porridge. Balance and honesty was the aim of the thread afterall.
I have some answers for you; It is well accepted that these countries have fantastic sporting facilities and that their systems of public transport are top drawer. UEFA itself tempered their positive appraisal of champs league final in Glasgow with a criticism of the volume of quality hotel accomodation. Otherwise the lack of infrastructure in Ireland is a commonly held belief and has been written about there and here extensively. I can't prove that the Austria/Swiss infrastructure is superior and really don't think I should have to - it can be taken for granted.
Are you seriously claiming that travel betwen Aus/Swiss will be more difficult?
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Lamia
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On public transport alone. I would definately agree that our system is poor. Anyone who thinks it isn't doesn't use it very often.
Having been to Ireland and listened to Irish posters on here it too is poor.
I do however have no idea about Aust/Swit transport network. Or what level of importance is placed on this one issue.
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Jam
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Not to sure that Austria win by 2 points on the logistics and possibly the value of our big stadia, fans reputation etc is not being given enough credence in Sonny's system but I'd agree that using that points system gives Austria an advantage. 
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WillfaeSwindon
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I dont think it will be done on a points system. It will be down to which of the bids each of the 8/9 men voting. And we all know that things like this will tend to be political more than anything!
i think its more a case of trying to predict what each man/country he represents want to win.
Angel Maria Villar Llona(SPAIN)
Geoff Thompson(ENGLAND)...... Scotland/Ireland
Dr Mathieu Sprengers(HOLLAND)
Marios Lefkaritis(CYPRUS)............ Greece/turkey
Eggert Magnusson(ICELAND)......Are they part of the bid? if not then guess where there vote is going
Gerhard Mayer-Volfelder(GERMANY)
Dr Joseph Mifsud(MALTA).......... Scot/Ire i think
Michel Platini(FRANCE)
Henri Roemer(LUXEMBOURG)
(Edited by WillfaeSwindon at 11:40 am on July 2, 2002)
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Total Posts: 2232 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 11:33 am on July 2, 2002 | IP
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sonny
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Lamia,
Transport infrastucture has to be very important! A successful bid would require the governments to improve rails and roads to new and existing stadia from airports, city centres and ports etc. That is a benefit to the country in the long term. Austria/Swiss have the richest tourists in the world every year and are super-rich countries with state of the art transport infrastructure.
Jam,
Value of the big stadia, have some influence however the rules about not using 2 stadia in the same city when we will use 3 for example means taking a fair bit of that advantage off. By contrast having one stadium in 8 different place chimes with the stated aims of UEFA. If you add that advantage to their reputation as having top-class sporting facilities for athletes to train in you see why I think the advantage swings to them.
As for the fans. I can't see why that would be more important than infrastructure. We might think we are the dog's bollox but that surely only goes so far.
Swindon Wulfie make a guid point in my opinion. It will come down to individual voting preferences. The relative merits of both bidding countries will have to weigh on their minds but we have to hope that they can be charmed into it cause that's the only way we can win it.
If I was the Aus/Swiss and lost the bid, I would cry foul and I'm sure Uefa don't want that!
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Jam
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Yeah Sonny fair enough. Had thought the same for a while but have recently been trying to delude masel that we might win eftir aw.
Willfae - is that the complete list of the voters?
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Lamia
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Sonny,
I would not disagree with that, I just don't want to be accused of speculating about something I do not have the hard facts on so was just stating what I know to be true 
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WillfaeSwindon
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I believe it is...... Its the Uefa executive committee.
Uefa have stated that countries bidding cant vote so its these 9 from 14.
Although im a wee bit confused as i think i read somewhere about it being a different committee that decided it (national team committee or something)
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WillfaeSwindon
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UEFA inspection
Mr Aigner told the candidates that UEFA would inspect each of the bidding countries between August and October 2002. A first oral report will be presented to the UEFA National Teams Committee on 28 October 2002.
Reports submitted
A written report will be drawn up by the inspection teams for mid-November, and the report will be submitted to both the UEFA Executive Committee and National Teams Committee.
December decision
Each candidate will be asked to make official presentations of their bid to the Executive Committee and National Teams Committee on 11 December 2002. The National Teams Committee is then scheduled to discuss the bids the following day, and will formulate a recommendation for the Executive Committee to take its final decision.
from UEFA.com
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Total Posts: 2232 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 10:11 pm on July 2, 2002 | IP
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Jam
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How did ye hear about the maltese boy gaun fir the Scotland (and Ireland ssshhh) bid?
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Total Posts: 678 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 11:44 am on July 3, 2002 | IP
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WillfaeSwindon
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Just my prediction Jam, Malta have a big political history with the UK and i believe that will go in out favour.
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Jam
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Aye probably true Willfae. Here's my predictions vor the votes on the 2008 European Championships decide purely by political/cultural ties: 
Angel Maria Villar Llona(SPAIN) - no idea. 
Geoff Thompson(ENGLAND)...... Scotland/Ireland
Dr Mathieu Sprengers(HOLLAND) Too close to call
Marios Lefkaritis(CYPRUS)............ Greece/turkey
Eggert Magnusson(ICELAND)...... Scanders
Gerhard Mayer-Volfelder(GERMANY) Austria/Switzerland
Dr Joseph Mifsud(MALTA).......... Scotland/Ireland
Michel Platini(FRANCE) Austria/Switzerland - it's nearer to them and some Swiss speak French. We hae the Auld Alliance but nane ae the French ken aboot that onie mair 
Henri Roemer(LUXEMBOURG) Austria/Switzerland - same reasons as for France
Scores:
Austria/Switzerland - 3 votes
Scotland/Ireland - 2 votes
Scanders - 1 vote
Greece/Turkey - 1 vote
Undecided Holland and Spain
So get lobbying the Dutch and the Spanish!
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Total Posts: 678 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 1:37 pm on July 3, 2002 | IP
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sonny
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What is the voting system? Is it like STV whereby 4th place drops out and second preferences are added?
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WillfaeSwindon
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by the sound of it, its just a one off vote....
National team committee does all the hard work and says to the Executive committee what they think and then the Exec committee decide in a one off vote. Isnt that how the 2006 bids were decided.... went down to the New Zealanders vote.
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Total Posts: 2232 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 3:14 pm on July 3, 2002 | IP
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tommyt
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The 2006 bid there were a sucession of re-ballots.
The bottom nation dropped out each time.
In the second last vote England came bottom with two with SA and Germany tied on 11 votes - then in the final ballot they transferred to Gemany to give them a 13-11 win. I hear that UEFA will narrow the field to three before the final vote, what I dont understand is can (say) the Greek boy join in and vote after his country's bid gets kncked out ?
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